best machine the RAF never had
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I guess as I'm not writing this in Russian, our AD capability was wholly sufficient during the Cold War.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
They pretended they had an attacck capability and we pretended to defend against it.
It was only when the Ruskies believed Reagan's Star Wars bluff and bankrupted themselves actually trying to build a defence against it, rather than bluffing themselves, that the whole game fell apart.......
It was only when the Ruskies believed Reagan's Star Wars bluff and bankrupted themselves actually trying to build a defence against it, rather than bluffing themselves, that the whole game fell apart.......
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It was only when the Ruskies believed Reagan's Star Wars bluff and bankrupted themselves actually trying to build a defence against it, rather than bluffing themselves, that the whole game fell apart.......
... I very nearly wrote my Staff College dissertation - as the Wall was coming down - analysing the Cold War in terms of the Russians playing chess and the Americans playing poker ......And the poker players won .....
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And now we play Russian Roulette. But no-one really knows how many rounds are in the gun...
Nutloose.....you are one very pathetic Straight Man! (....in this usage meaning Comic duo's set up man for the punch line)
I could have had some great fun with that photo and a very detailed explanation of how even the US Army Air Corps failed to choose advanced designs much like the RAF.
I could have had some great fun with that photo and a very detailed explanation of how even the US Army Air Corps failed to choose advanced designs much like the RAF.
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I canna believe Oi forgot the Valkyrie.
I loved it so much I built it twice...
Mach 3 + constant blowers, surfing it's own supersonic shockwave.
Thats Filth right there.
I loved it so much I built it twice...
Mach 3 + constant blowers, surfing it's own supersonic shockwave.
Thats Filth right there.
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The solo-only version of the Chipmunk had a higher probability of crashing and wasting the investment in the aircraft. Cost saving measures were therefore applied, the most obvious of which was to delete the instructor's position.
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"Are you able to tell us more about the large-scale attacks which the Commies mounted against us which our excellent AD capability bravely defeated in pitched battle? Presumably you agree that our current MPA capability is wholly sufficient on the grounds that there haven't been any strikes on the British Isles by Russian subs/shipping?"
It's all a matter of deterrence and intent. There were no large-scale attacks by the Russians during the Cold War so, either what we had was a sufficient deterrent, or they no intent in mounting such attacks. Either way, my statement was correct - what we had was sufficient.
The current situation with MPA is different, we have no deterrent, but again, do they have the intent? Certainly not in the short term I would suggest. Therefore, whilst our lack of MPA needs to be addressed in order to provide a longer term solution, the current financial climate dictates that we have to invest our money to provide capabilities that counter a clear capability and intent from a hostile nation.
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It's all a matter of deterrence and intent. There were no large-scale attacks by the Russians during the Cold War so, either what we had was a sufficient deterrent, or they no intent in mounting such attacks. Either way, my statement was correct - what we had was sufficient.
The current situation with MPA is different, we have no deterrent, but again, do they have the intent? Certainly not in the short term I would suggest. Therefore, whilst our lack of MPA needs to be addressed in order to provide a longer term solution, the current financial climate dictates that we have to invest our money to provide capabilities that counter a clear capability and intent from a hostile nation.
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You are just trying to save billions of pounds here aren't you. Or, are you missing the importance of MPA?
With no MPA our sub surface fleet was instantly ready to be intercepted and scanned by anyone with any kind of sub........Thus removing our nuclear deterrent and cruise boats effectiveness at a stroke.
The are lots of unfriendly nations out there who would happily buy sound recordings of our subs, as well as having subs of their own to do something nasty if they wanted.
Not having effective MPA today means having no credible sub surface fleet in ten years time when we get involved with some despot or other.
You are just trying to save billions of pounds here aren't you. Or, are you missing the importance of MPA?
With no MPA our sub surface fleet was instantly ready to be intercepted and scanned by anyone with any kind of sub........Thus removing our nuclear deterrent and cruise boats effectiveness at a stroke.
The are lots of unfriendly nations out there who would happily buy sound recordings of our subs, as well as having subs of their own to do something nasty if they wanted.
Not having effective MPA today means having no credible sub surface fleet in ten years time when we get involved with some despot or other.
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Barnstormer, I recognise the importance of MPA, and I did say that it is a future capability that we should have. However, recognising that times are hard, and given the current and short - medium term threats, there may be more important capabilities to fund.
The shape of Future Force 2020 should be driving our capability requirements. Now if we could just get some clear guidance.........
Bear
The shape of Future Force 2020 should be driving our capability requirements. Now if we could just get some clear guidance.........
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Forgive me as a mere history-graduate and aero-sexual but here are a few to my mind: First the almost-have-beens:
Saunders-Roe SR.177 - only conspiracy theory that it was scuppered for purchase by nefarious dealings by LM?
Phase 2 Vulcan - dealt a fatal blow by the death of Skybolt but still a formidable machine.
Lightning F6 with guns - lessons learned by now (or not)?
Now the wishful thinking:
Vought F-8 Crusader: Of the same vintage as the Scimitar and Sea Vixen but in a entirely different class
Vought A-7 Corsair II - A strike jet par excellence. Had bombing performance (thanks to CCIP) far in advance to the contemporary Phantom yet far less famed.
P.1216 Prototype - Who knows? It made it barely beyond the drawing board. But it looked good!
Saunders-Roe SR.177 - only conspiracy theory that it was scuppered for purchase by nefarious dealings by LM?
Phase 2 Vulcan - dealt a fatal blow by the death of Skybolt but still a formidable machine.
Lightning F6 with guns - lessons learned by now (or not)?
Now the wishful thinking:
Vought F-8 Crusader: Of the same vintage as the Scimitar and Sea Vixen but in a entirely different class
Vought A-7 Corsair II - A strike jet par excellence. Had bombing performance (thanks to CCIP) far in advance to the contemporary Phantom yet far less famed.
P.1216 Prototype - Who knows? It made it barely beyond the drawing board. But it looked good!
