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Old 25th Apr 2012, 07:30
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AC 130 and that's an end to it.

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Old 25th Apr 2012, 10:44
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Maybe the time has come to rethink the Rotodyne concept, as mentioned above. Would have come in very handy back in '82.
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Old 25th Apr 2012, 11:32
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Never mind the Rotodyne, what about the Aerodyne?

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6F1,

Thank you for putting me back in my box but two things.

a. You will possibly have missed that any comment about the Belvedere and carriers was tongue in cheek given its size, the problems with its blades and fire risk with its vertical engines and magnesium alloy construction.

b. A CRAB I may have been in later years but a FISH-HEAD when first allowed into the great outdoors.

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Messerschmitt Me 262 with British engines.
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Old 25th Apr 2012, 14:31
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it has to be F-15. had we gone for F-15 in the 70's we might actually have had some form of plausable AD capability for the last 2 decades of the Cold War.

imagine that...
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Thin wing Buccaneer?
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Old 25th Apr 2012, 15:37
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it has to be F-15. had we gone for F-15 in the 70's we might actually have had some form of plausable AD capability for the last 2 decades of the Cold War.

I guess as I'm not writing this in Russian, our AD capability was wholly sufficient during the Cold War.

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Old 25th Apr 2012, 17:41
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It has to be F-15. had we gone for F-15 in the 70's we might actually have had some form of plausable AD capability for the last 2 decades of the Cold War.

imagine that...
We had THE best AD aircraft in Europe from 69 to 81 in the shape of the F4 (with the advent of the F15A). Look down-shoot down capability when even the US only had a pulse equipped fighter. Had we gone for a US platform to replace the F4 we'd have stayed up there but the F3, bless it, wasn't the right platform.

For me, HMS in the Tornado F3, a Buccaneer with decent avionics or a Lightning with 4 missiles. All would have been totally different jets.

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Old 26th Apr 2012, 05:21
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PC-9?
KC-135?
Any 4th generation fighter after the F4 and before Typhoon
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 06:05
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...And to reinforce Geehovah's point, the F3 wasn't really ready by the end of the Cold War having been in service about 3 years when the wall came down...

The F4 did a very fine job in the AD role up to that point.
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 06:13
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F-16J would have done the job.
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 15:26
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MH-53 would have been a huge capability for the CHF as a SK 4 replacement, although none of our decks were stressed for anything that heavy.

Blackhawk as a Merlin 3 alternative may be cheaper, sooner but IMHO not better.

Sukhoi 25 Frogfoot as a Jaguar replacement for CAS?

B1 as a replacement for Vulcan?
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 15:43
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Sukhoi 25 Frogfoot as a Jaguar replacement for CAS?
Surely CAS needs a Learjet or Gulfstream, not a Frogfoot???

But back to thread..............

I used to dream of F-16s in RAF colours.

I still think the RAF would have done well with such a beast. A's in the 80s, turning to Block 25/30 Cs in the 90s, and Block 50/60s by the noughties. We could have gained over 30 years experience of operating them by now.

What would that aircraft have done for pilot retention??

Ideally based at Chivenor!!

Oh well!!
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 17:35
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I said it in the other thread - V8 muscle cars for Lineys........

in fact I will stand for parliament on this policy!
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 18:01
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The RAF would have bought the CH 53 when they realised they could ditch half the rotorblades and saved money by using 3 rotors only
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 18:32
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SF260 for training/coin

SR-71 for recon/fun

AMX for annoying Welsh farmers

F-16 for style
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 15:53
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The Bristol 188...'cos it sliver
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 16:56
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I still think the RAF would have done well with such a beast. A's in the 80s, turning to Block 25/30 Cs in the 90s, and Block 50/60s by the noughties. We could have gained over 30 years experience of operating them by now.
Agreed. Either that or an all F15E force, imagine the number of F15E squadrons we could have had flying by now, instead of bankrupting ourselves for 3 Typhoon squadrons. Still, at least BAE has dutifully provided us with an aircraft that is fully air-ground capable and has all of its problems ironed out at no extra expense, sake.
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 17:29
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The Bristol 188...
The thirst of the T188 was of neo-Oliver Reed level and made the Lightning seem positively frugal in comparison.

Mind you, the 250+KIAS VR in full blower must have looked dramatic! I spoke with a chap involved in the test programme recently and he said that the 20-25 min max flight duration barely gave them any worthwhile test results.
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