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Old-Duffer:
Flown in as SLF...very agricultural...SHF would be right at home.
Chuffing impressive payload and hot/high performance if I recall...
A couple of years ago, I saw one of a pair of Mi17s which were in this country to train crews for an 'allied air force'. It looked like an overgrown Whirlwind but was said to be reliable, very functional (agricultural was also used to describe it) good to operate, carried shed loads of kit over a good distance and relatively easy to maintain. Perhaps, therefore, Mi17s instead of - dare I say - Wessex?
Chuffing impressive payload and hot/high performance if I recall...
Yeh, let's do Fleet Air Arm - I'm always up for a laugh.
It was the RN that turned down the Belvedere because it kept dumping a gallon of AVPIN on the deck when it started up - great bunch of jessicas!!!
O-D
It was the RN that turned down the Belvedere because it kept dumping a gallon of AVPIN on the deck when it started up - great bunch of jessicas!!!
O-D
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Old-Duffer if you knew anything about carrier aviation you would not be making these inane comments so do us all a favour and go back into your CRAB shell.
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I'm going left field with this...
Mi28N Havoc?
Mi 24 Hind?
Digitised of course and alot cheaper than the Agusta Westland efforts.
However if not,
US Marine 412, IR/EO camera plus crew served or pilot operated door mounted weapons and rocket pods. The COIN dream.
As for those plank wing ladies of leisure...
I second the F15E, multi role capable about 20 yrs ago which I believe the Typhoon still can't do.
But if the Typhoon were ready how about..
Navalised Typhoon for the Fleet Air Arm?
Mi28N Havoc?
Mi 24 Hind?
Digitised of course and alot cheaper than the Agusta Westland efforts.
However if not,
US Marine 412, IR/EO camera plus crew served or pilot operated door mounted weapons and rocket pods. The COIN dream.
As for those plank wing ladies of leisure...
I second the F15E, multi role capable about 20 yrs ago which I believe the Typhoon still can't do.
But if the Typhoon were ready how about..
Navalised Typhoon for the Fleet Air Arm?
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Sorry got another 2 left fielders..
A10? Perhaps one of the most perfect role constructed aircraft ever made.
Or ditch the tactical strike fighters and just buy B1 bombers instead.
You can put just about everything on those things. Slap in a radar or just a data link from an awacs and you could do BVR engagement for air to air nonsense.
Alternatively to win the war (assume we are with the Americans everywhere we go) you can pick and mix the bombs you drop.
Plus the pilots would get multi crew, multi engine, jet time on their logbook.
Everyone is happy!
A10? Perhaps one of the most perfect role constructed aircraft ever made.
Or ditch the tactical strike fighters and just buy B1 bombers instead.
You can put just about everything on those things. Slap in a radar or just a data link from an awacs and you could do BVR engagement for air to air nonsense.
Alternatively to win the war
(assume we are with the Americans everywhere we go) you can pick and mix the bombs you drop.Plus the pilots would get multi crew, multi engine, jet time on their logbook.
Everyone is happy!
The U-2.
Which we were offered when we first discussed getting rid of the PR9 many years ago, but in our infinite wisdom turned down and then ended up buying a derivative of the cameras anyway
Which we were offered when we first discussed getting rid of the PR9 many years ago, but in our infinite wisdom turned down and then ended up buying a derivative of the cameras anyway
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A mixed force of Strike Eagles and the latest Hornet.
Surely a lot more flexible an potent than Typhoon and Tornado?
Of course there are possibly more obvious contenders.
The extra C17's needed to have a flexible and maintainable force.
Helicopters (who cares what) that are not falling apart and forty years old (think the replacement for the replacement for the Puma)
MPA aircraft, bearing in mind we are an island nation.
Proper recce aircraft
Brand new aircraft owned by the RAF and used as AT, and not second hand fleets with their own mini fleets.
Spares and engineers so we can use the aircraft we already have....But don't have because they need spares.
Anything sent to Marshalls, that seems to just stay there for ever.
Surely a lot more flexible an potent than Typhoon and Tornado?
Of course there are possibly more obvious contenders.
The extra C17's needed to have a flexible and maintainable force.
Helicopters (who cares what) that are not falling apart and forty years old (think the replacement for the replacement for the Puma
)MPA aircraft, bearing in mind we are an island nation.
Proper recce aircraft
Brand new aircraft owned by the RAF and used as AT, and not second hand fleets with their own mini fleets.
Spares and engineers so we can use the aircraft we already have....But don't have because they need spares.
Anything sent to Marshalls, that seems to just stay there for ever.