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Old 21st Mar 2012, 09:12
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Apache ground scrape.

Here's a new (me thinks) vid for you to peruse and comment on:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c6_1332299048
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 09:43
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Easy one for the Board of Enquiry!
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Well that was silly, wasn't it?

That same manoeuvre, badly flown in a heavy aircraft, has killed or injured many helicopter occupants in the past and damaged many airframes for those slightly more lucky.
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and what, exactly, was the tactical value of that ?
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Hadn't seen that one before. Attempts to show off have been a major cause of crashes since the dawn of aviation. You don't look quite so cool once you spanked your aircraft in. How embarrassing.
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The title on the Live Leak site says;
AH-64 Apache helicopter crash in Sharana, Afghanistan. The pilot was executing a maneuver known as "return to target". No one on the ground was killed and both pilots survived, possible criminal charges were laid.
I'm reminded of the saying;

'You start off with a big bag of luck and an empty bag of experience.
The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you run out of luck.'
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"No one on the ground was killed"....

It looks like the person who seemed to be hit just before the Apache spanked the ground was almost decapitated. He didn't sem to get up in a hurry.

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Old 21st Mar 2012, 11:36
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Holy $hit Private Pyle!

Didn't hear about this one but aside from apportioning blame (pretty self evident here one would think), I'm pleased to hear no one was killed.

Hopefully will be used as a demonstration that a wing over when heavy and high, is never as easy as back at the school house.
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Think it parted his hair.......



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StopStart,

Thanks

If I was one of the two in the aircraft or the guy on the ground,
I think buying a lotto ticket might be in order.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 14:21
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Really surprised no-one was injured, if it had just continued it's slide then OK but look at T+30 secs and you can see the Apache rear up and climb with no tail rotor authority to around 75-100 feet before returning rapidly to earth
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You lot surprise me...

Since it hasn't been said yet...

It'll buff out...
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 16:22
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What a twit! ****!
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just my opinion,and i am only a student rotorwing pilot,but it seems to me that he entered vortex ringstate.i guess the safety speed in an apache to avoid vortex state isaround 50-60KTAS.Care to correct if im wrong...
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 16:56
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Grrr

What a numpty. That could so easily have resulted in deaths on the ground and in the aircraft. Is this particular spot (Sharana, Afghanistan) somewhat elevated? Doesn't look like the pilot (loose term ..... in this instance) considered available performance (or lack of it), never mind that it was a pointless manoeuvre to begin with.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 17:31
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The pilot was executing a maneuver known as "being a complete farkwit".
Wazzing and zooming - plain and simple.
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Whose was it? US, Dutch, other?

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What a nob-head. And now he's famous. Is life really that dull in Afghan to necessitate such moronic stunts?

When I watched the vid I thought the ground scrape referred to the 'miss' of the building during his first pass. Couldn't quite believe what he did next.

It'll buff out...
Aha, the regulation joke. In reply, yes it will (the ground scrape that is - a few shovels of snow should do the trick). The heli however may require a bit more work.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 17:38
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crappy rate of climb to start off with - poss due to a/c weight and performance. Also - no wind to lean into on the recovery - note limp-dick windsock beside camera.

Bet that was the longest three seconds of his life! He's lucky it was not the last!

Hope he's got a good lawyer otherwise i foresee some time at Ft Leavenworth in his future.

Glad no-one was hurt (more by luck than judgement )
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