Apache ground scrape.
As I know nothing whatsoever about hecilo....helcotpi....rotary wing aircraft, I can state without fear of contradiction that this was obviously gross negligence. Because I know best....
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dead Pan by name dead pan by humour 
Thank you for making my evening
Originally Posted by dead Pan
I think the ground was clearly at fault in this accident, recklessly rushing upwards at that poor, unsuspecting helicopter.
I wonder what it would take to droop Mr on a 64 with both engines at max chat? I have done it with a CH-47....and it ain't pretty when it happens! It is for sure PIOO!
Before you ask....Pilot Induced OH Ouch!
Before you ask....Pilot Induced OH Ouch!
Eclan: You've got me thinking now 
The more I watch this vid, the more suspicious I am becoming. The "attempted" pull out before he belly flops on initial contact doesn't look right, the coning of the disc and the pirouetting thereafter - relatively 'intact' (minus tail rotor)...all begins to look a little "odd"
This vid went national this morning across the Uk - hope it is for real
Wirbelsturm: I remember the 705 "pancake" event - I was there when they cam back into the crewroom afterwards.
Didn't McD lose the tip of his little finger because it was crushed under the collective during the 'recovery'?
And why did they go grey at that age anyway?
The more I watch this vid, the more suspicious I am becoming. The "attempted" pull out before he belly flops on initial contact doesn't look right, the coning of the disc and the pirouetting thereafter - relatively 'intact' (minus tail rotor)...all begins to look a little "odd"
This vid went national this morning across the Uk - hope it is for real
Wirbelsturm: I remember the 705 "pancake" event - I was there when they cam back into the crewroom afterwards.
Didn't McD lose the tip of his little finger because it was crushed under the collective during the 'recovery'?
And why did they go grey at that age anyway?
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TC,
I don't remember McD's injury, I do remember the boll*cking they got though! It became legend for many a Friday happy hour for years after!
Didn't it lead to everyone being a little more circumspect about wing overs (and Cab weight, they were both big chaps!) and the introduction of the 200' 'hard deck' over the Predannick excercise areas?
McD I seem to recall was a strawberry mivvie at 750 for years and CD went on to become the SPLOT of 820 in the 90's so it didn't go too bad!
Happy memories!
I don't remember McD's injury, I do remember the boll*cking they got though! It became legend for many a Friday happy hour for years after!
Didn't it lead to everyone being a little more circumspect about wing overs (and Cab weight, they were both big chaps!) and the introduction of the 200' 'hard deck' over the Predannick excercise areas?
McD I seem to recall was a strawberry mivvie at 750 for years and CD went on to become the SPLOT of 820 in the 90's so it didn't go too bad!
Happy memories!
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Seems genuine enough to me, is exactly how I'd imagine a mixture of Hi-DA/Low-Alt/tw@t-in-cockpit/Wingover to pan out. The sound of the apache rotor-disc gasping for air at the top of the manoeuvre says it all. Initially I thought the initial impact looked kosher but the out of control spiral at the end seemed a bit unreal. But rather than collapsing on first impact like a normal helo probably would, the apache is sturdy and crashworthy so probably bounced quite happily whilst the crew inside were probably a bit, shall we say, 'disorientated' ? Thereby inducing the subsequent spin.
IMHO & Conjecture.
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Originally Posted by Thomas coupling
The more I watch this vid, the more suspicious I am becoming. The "attempted" pull out before he belly flops on initial contact doesn't look right, the coning of the disc and the pirouetting thereafter - relatively 'intact' (minus tail rotor)...all begins to look a little "odd"
Video: Investigation under way after American AH-64 Apache helicopter crashes in Afghanistan - Telegraph
An investigation is underway after extraordinary video footage emerged of an American Apache helicopter crash landing in Afghanistan.
ISAF (International Security Assistance Force) officials have indicated that the footage is of an incident that occurred in Paktika province of Afghanistan.
Two AH-64 helicopters were supporting an ISAF patrol gathering airdropped supplies when one of the aircraft crashed into the ground.
No one on the ground was injured and both members of the aircrew survived the accident which happened on February 6. The footage was only posted online 6 weeks later.
The cause of the crash is currently being investigated by the US Army but there were no reports of insurgent activity in the area at the time of the incident, suggesting mechanical failure or pilot error.
ISAF (International Security Assistance Force) officials have indicated that the footage is of an incident that occurred in Paktika province of Afghanistan.
Two AH-64 helicopters were supporting an ISAF patrol gathering airdropped supplies when one of the aircraft crashed into the ground.
No one on the ground was injured and both members of the aircrew survived the accident which happened on February 6. The footage was only posted online 6 weeks later.
The cause of the crash is currently being investigated by the US Army but there were no reports of insurgent activity in the area at the time of the incident, suggesting mechanical failure or pilot error.
Slight correction, the Royal Netherlands Air Force are equipped with the AH-64D. Not the Longbow variant, straight AH64Ds. They have no retrofit capability to Longbow.
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Now I know why the boss ran off an ex US Army Huey pilot for regularly pulling a similar stunt in the bush back in the '80's
he saw him do it once, made enquiries and found the guy did it every day and he was on the next flight out........
he saw him do it once, made enquiries and found the guy did it every day and he was on the next flight out........
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Slight correction, the Royal Netherlands Air Force are equipped with the AH-64D. Not the Longbow variant, straight AH64Ds. They have no retrofit capability to Longbow.
Got a feeling this may have taken a while to come out into the open.
Could well be the incident May 26th 2011. 1 Fatal.
ASN Aircraft accident 26-MAY-2011 Boeing AH-64D Apache
Could well be the incident May 26th 2011. 1 Fatal.
ASN Aircraft accident 26-MAY-2011 Boeing AH-64D Apache
True mate, but May 26 '11 is the only recorded AH-64 prang in the area of Sharana, Afghanistan? 
And the markings on the bird in the video are from the same unit as the incident Apache in the link?
And the markings on the bird in the video are from the same unit as the incident Apache in the link?
Last edited by garyscott; 26th Mar 2012 at 07:47. Reason: Brain not in gear . . .
Hmm.
Yours was last year, Gary. This one was, apparently, shot this year. Assuming that's correct, the two incidents are not the same.
If that's not correct, you may be right.
Yours was last year, Gary. This one was, apparently, shot this year. Assuming that's correct, the two incidents are not the same.
If that's not correct, you may be right.
