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Tiger G 21st Mar 2012 09:12

Apache ground scrape.
 
Here's a new (me thinks) vid for you to peruse and comment on:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c6_1332299048
As always, if it's an oldy, feel free to delete.

jayteeto 21st Mar 2012 09:43

Easy one for the Board of Enquiry!

ShyTorque 21st Mar 2012 10:27

Well that was silly, wasn't it?

That same manoeuvre, badly flown in a heavy aircraft, has killed or injured many helicopter occupants in the past and damaged many airframes for those slightly more lucky.

Teddy Robinson 21st Mar 2012 10:46

and what, exactly, was the tactical value of that ?

Torque Tonight 21st Mar 2012 10:56

Hadn't seen that one before. Attempts to show off have been a major cause of crashes since the dawn of aviation. You don't look quite so cool once you spanked your aircraft in. How embarrassing. :ugh:

SilsoeSid 21st Mar 2012 11:10

The title on the Live Leak site says;

AH-64 Apache helicopter crash in Sharana, Afghanistan. The pilot was executing a maneuver known as "return to target". No one on the ground was killed and both pilots survived, possible criminal charges were laid.
I'm reminded of the saying;

'You start off with a big bag of luck and an empty bag of experience.
The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you run out of luck.'

500N 21st Mar 2012 11:18

"No one on the ground was killed"....

It looks like the person who seemed to be hit just before the Apache spanked the ground was almost decapitated. He didn't sem to get up in a hurry.

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SunderlandMatt 21st Mar 2012 11:36

Holy $hit Private Pyle!

Didn't hear about this one but aside from apportioning blame (pretty self evident here one would think), I'm pleased to hear no one was killed.

Hopefully will be used as a demonstration that a wing over when heavy and high, is never as easy as back at the school house.

StopStart 21st Mar 2012 12:19

Think it parted his hair....... :ooh:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...aw/apache2.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...aw/apache3.jpg

500N 21st Mar 2012 12:27

StopStart,

Thanks

If I was one of the two in the aircraft or the guy on the ground,
I think buying a lotto ticket might be in order.
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Top Bunk Tester 21st Mar 2012 14:21

Really surprised no-one was injured, if it had just continued it's slide then OK but look at T+30 secs and you can see the Apache rear up and climb with no tail rotor authority to around 75-100 feet before returning rapidly to earth :uhoh:

Airborne Aircrew 21st Mar 2012 15:39

You lot surprise me...

Since it hasn't been said yet...

It'll buff out...:}

Roadster280 21st Mar 2012 15:52

No coffee, no biscuits.

Hueymeister 21st Mar 2012 16:22

What a twit! ****!

PPRuNeUser0179 21st Mar 2012 16:40

just my opinion,and i am only a student rotorwing pilot,but it seems to me that he entered vortex ringstate.i guess the safety speed in an apache to avoid vortex state isaround 50-60KTAS.Care to correct if im wrong...

deeceethree 21st Mar 2012 16:56

What a numpty. That could so easily have resulted in deaths on the ground and in the aircraft. Is this particular spot (Sharana, Afghanistan) somewhat elevated? Doesn't look like the pilot (loose term ..... in this instance) considered available performance (or lack of it), never mind that it was a pointless manoeuvre to begin with. :rolleyes:

Two's in 21st Mar 2012 17:31


The pilot was executing a maneuver known as "being a complete farkwit".
Wazzing and zooming - plain and simple.

aluminium persuader 21st Mar 2012 17:34

Whose was it? US, Dutch, other?

dead_pan 21st Mar 2012 17:35

What a nob-head. And now he's famous. Is life really that dull in Afghan to necessitate such moronic stunts?

When I watched the vid I thought the ground scrape referred to the 'miss' of the building during his first pass. Couldn't quite believe what he did next.


It'll buff out...
Aha, the regulation joke. In reply, yes it will (the ground scrape that is - a few shovels of snow should do the trick). The heli however may require a bit more work.

OvertHawk 21st Mar 2012 17:38

crappy rate of climb to start off with - poss due to a/c weight and performance. Also - no wind to lean into on the recovery - note limp-dick windsock beside camera.

Bet that was the longest three seconds of his life! He's lucky it was not the last!

Hope he's got a good lawyer otherwise i foresee some time at Ft Leavenworth in his future.

Glad no-one was hurt (more by luck than judgement :ugh:)
OH


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