Reds down to 7-ship for 2012 season.
What next?
Are we going to see female Typhoon pilots resigning because one or two of their mates gets killed?
Are we going to see female Typhoon pilots resigning because one or two of their mates gets killed?
So I've heard!!
FB
The loss of two pilots out of nine within months would have shaken many a squadron aviator even in the "good old days" when death was a regular feature of squadron life. These days it is much less common and many (most) of todays FJ aviators have never experienced the loss of a squadron mate, and thank God for it.
Flt Lt Moore has served her country both on ops and the display circuit. If she chooses, for whatever reason, not to do so any more then she deserves our thanks and our best wishes.
Flt Lt Moore has served her country both on ops and the display circuit. If she chooses, for whatever reason, not to do so any more then she deserves our thanks and our best wishes.
All the best to Kirsty. Whatever hand she had in the decision I'm sure it wasn't taken lightly.
I'm surprised at the disparity between the 2 stories. One quotes the MOD directly as saying it was down to the "unavoidable reassignment of one of their pilots," while the other quotes a "source" as saying she quit. It's a shame if the MOD are muddying the waters.
I'm surprised at the disparity between the 2 stories. One quotes the MOD directly as saying it was down to the "unavoidable reassignment of one of their pilots," while the other quotes a "source" as saying she quit. It's a shame if the MOD are muddying the waters.
well said Timelord
Well said Timelord, I fully agree.
Kindest respects & best wishes to Kirsty.
Having lost 3 friends & associates in flying incidents I can fully sympathise, it's very hard to deal with.
Kindest respects & best wishes to Kirsty.
Having lost 3 friends & associates in flying incidents I can fully sympathise, it's very hard to deal with.
Does the paperwork still get stamped LMF these days or is there a politically correct euphemism?
.A chum of mine who had lost his brother in a fatal in the 70's was quietly shunted onto Ops for the last year or so of his service, with no-one thinking the worse of him, even though his nerve had patently gone.
Anyone using the term LMF about him would have got very short shrift from the rest of us. We may have been a rough old bunch on tankers, but we werent dinosaurs!
'Having lost 3 friends & associates in flying incidents I can fully sympathise, it's very hard to deal with.'
Yes, so have I over the years, and has been the same since flying began. Generally, people, myself included, bite the bullet and get on with it. My comments on the earlier thread (now deleted) were caused mainly by my disappointment at this situation - not helped by my recent viewing of the Beeb programme about the bomber force in WW2. Mates were lost every day, but the survivors got on with it.
Yes, so have I over the years, and has been the same since flying began. Generally, people, myself included, bite the bullet and get on with it. My comments on the earlier thread (now deleted) were caused mainly by my disappointment at this situation - not helped by my recent viewing of the Beeb programme about the bomber force in WW2. Mates were lost every day, but the survivors got on with it.
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There are some people here who need to get off their high horse's. For whatever reason Kirsty has left she is certainly not the first FJ pilot that this has happend to, she just happens to be fairly high profile, so maybe a bit less of the "in my day it was all part of the job" rubbish.
Just my thoughts.
Just my thoughts.
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As has been said before, nobody knows the exact reasons behind Kirsty's departure and as such, both her and the teams decision should be respected rather than caned by anonymous posters on a forum for so called " professional pilots ".
She is a serving officer of the Royal Air Force who deserves our respect and gratitude for what she has achieved so far in her career as do all who serve in the best Armed Forces in the world
She is a serving officer of the Royal Air Force who deserves our respect and gratitude for what she has achieved so far in her career as do all who serve in the best Armed Forces in the world
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LMF? What era are some people living in? There is a recognised medical condition known as PTSD which the RAF is very good at treating despite what the media may say.
Having seen close friends struggle due to stress I am pleased to say that the RAF, certainly at Odiham at least, recognises that people react in different ways. A couple of individuals I know a few years ago were lost to the service as their circumstances were not recognised and treated however recently the handful of people at Odiham who were struggling and suffered mentally have been offered help and are now back at Odiham or are productive in different areas. I do not know what happened to this individual however far better that her experience is utilised elsewhere to the benefit of the service than distraction/stress or whatever result in another thread on here about an incident with a Red!
Having seen close friends struggle due to stress I am pleased to say that the RAF, certainly at Odiham at least, recognises that people react in different ways. A couple of individuals I know a few years ago were lost to the service as their circumstances were not recognised and treated however recently the handful of people at Odiham who were struggling and suffered mentally have been offered help and are now back at Odiham or are productive in different areas. I do not know what happened to this individual however far better that her experience is utilised elsewhere to the benefit of the service than distraction/stress or whatever result in another thread on here about an incident with a Red!
Really disappointed to see a named and still serving junior officer discussed in this way.
However, in the real world, she opted to apply for her high profile and very public role. Her success in achieving it was widely promoted in the national press as an extension of what the Red Arrows do - i.e. public relations.
It is inevitable that any negatives will be reported and discussed with similar enthusiasm.
Like it or not, that's life.
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I for one would argue it takes far more 'moral fibre' to recognise and deal with stress rather than take it (and it's performance degrading effect) into the cockpit of a fast jet, particularly one in close formation with 8 others.
Irrespective of opinions, I wonder how many here would be happy to voice their opinions of a fellow Officer to her face or openly in a crew room among her sqn colleagues.
Irrespective of opinions, I wonder how many here would be happy to voice their opinions of a fellow Officer to her face or openly in a crew room among her sqn colleagues.
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It never ceases to amaze me how some Crabs will turn on their own brothers and sisters.
Jesus guys, you are supposed to defend each other to the death, especially in public!
C#@ts
Jesus guys, you are supposed to defend each other to the death, especially in public!
C#@ts
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What would we we think if the hypothetical situation was thus:
Royal Marine/Infantry soldier refuses to return to Afghanistan because one of his mates was blown up in an IED...
or
Fire fighter refuses to attend future fires and takes desk job following fire which killed two of his colleagues...
or
Policeman takes desk-job following fatal shooting of his partner in Manchester...
Are those situations acceptable, or would you feel little sympathy with the individuals?
Royal Marine/Infantry soldier refuses to return to Afghanistan because one of his mates was blown up in an IED...
or
Fire fighter refuses to attend future fires and takes desk job following fire which killed two of his colleagues...
or
Policeman takes desk-job following fatal shooting of his partner in Manchester...
Are those situations acceptable, or would you feel little sympathy with the individuals?
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Royal Marine/Infantry soldier refuses to return to Afghanistan because one of his mates was blown up in an IED...
or
Fire fighter refuses to attend future fires and takes desk job following fire which killed two of his colleagues...
or
Policeman takes desk-job following fatal shooting of his partner in Manchester...
Are those situations acceptable, or would you feel little sympathy with the individuals?
or
Fire fighter refuses to attend future fires and takes desk job following fire which killed two of his colleagues...
or
Policeman takes desk-job following fatal shooting of his partner in Manchester...
Are those situations acceptable, or would you feel little sympathy with the individuals?
I totally respect Flight Lieutenant Kirsty Stewart and the decision she has made. She has been under tremendous pressure form the word go. She should have been celebrating the fact that she was the first female Red Arrows pilot, but she is left to remember the loss of two of her very close colleagues (friends).
Some people here have never lost a close friend or colleague so they have no idea what it feels like.
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I think this thread needs pulling.
The problem is that those that choose to denigrate Kirsty hide behind anonymity. More relevant questions are - how many of those who do choose to denigrate Kirsty are current serving? How many are current professional aviators? I'm guessing at none.
Until you've walked a mile in Kirsty's shoes you have absolutely no right to comment.
That lady has more courage, dignity, ability and honour than any of you so keep your LMF comments to yourselves.
Dicks.
The problem is that those that choose to denigrate Kirsty hide behind anonymity. More relevant questions are - how many of those who do choose to denigrate Kirsty are current serving? How many are current professional aviators? I'm guessing at none.
Until you've walked a mile in Kirsty's shoes you have absolutely no right to comment.
That lady has more courage, dignity, ability and honour than any of you so keep your LMF comments to yourselves.
Dicks.