Iran Threatens to Close Strait of Hormuz
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HVAL - nice tongue in cheek post.
I find the anti-American rhetoric on here shaming. I've worked here for a couple of years and have more US personnel than UK working for me.
They are hugely supportive of us, and extremely friendly to us, both as individuals and a nation.
The War of Independence was a form of civil war - it really was. Broadly it was a 3 way split for pro-independence, pro-British and the completely neutral. One side got lucky.
The War of 1812...... A bit of misguided nonsense by the Americans. Miscalculated too. They fully expected the Canadians to jump on board with them, it didn't happen, they got a bit of a walloping and, really, they lost. But it was such a sideshow to the Napoleonic main event it didn't register back in the UK and wasn't pursued.
Some of the comments on here about current US servicemen's conduct are so out of context they are laughable. Nasty events, even atrocities, are perpetrated by soldiers of all nationalities in all conflicts. Recently they are more apparent by Americans because so many more of them have been on the frontline compared to all other nation's servicemen. Combined. Troops lose friends and see some awful things and they are affected and react, sometimes badly.
I know an old fella back home from my local who has told me how bored British troops being sent by train around Africa took potshots, for bets, at the local populace as they went about in the 1950s. Disgraceful clearly, and not that long ago.
"Little Englander" statements mocking Americans such as "....and 90% of them don't even have passports" are more indicative of British ignorance than American. We have passports to get sun and to travel. That's because Britain is small. The Yanks can surf, sun, mountain climb, cruise, ski, cross a desert and everything else whilst staying within their borders. Why would the majority go overseas and pay more for the same whilst being patronised by us?
Yanks - don't react to the unpleasant digs at you on here. You're better than that. Most of you anyway.
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I find the anti-American rhetoric on here shaming. I've worked here for a couple of years and have more US personnel than UK working for me.
They are hugely supportive of us, and extremely friendly to us, both as individuals and a nation.
The War of Independence was a form of civil war - it really was. Broadly it was a 3 way split for pro-independence, pro-British and the completely neutral. One side got lucky.
The War of 1812...... A bit of misguided nonsense by the Americans. Miscalculated too. They fully expected the Canadians to jump on board with them, it didn't happen, they got a bit of a walloping and, really, they lost. But it was such a sideshow to the Napoleonic main event it didn't register back in the UK and wasn't pursued.
Some of the comments on here about current US servicemen's conduct are so out of context they are laughable. Nasty events, even atrocities, are perpetrated by soldiers of all nationalities in all conflicts. Recently they are more apparent by Americans because so many more of them have been on the frontline compared to all other nation's servicemen. Combined. Troops lose friends and see some awful things and they are affected and react, sometimes badly.
I know an old fella back home from my local who has told me how bored British troops being sent by train around Africa took potshots, for bets, at the local populace as they went about in the 1950s. Disgraceful clearly, and not that long ago.
"Little Englander" statements mocking Americans such as "....and 90% of them don't even have passports" are more indicative of British ignorance than American. We have passports to get sun and to travel. That's because Britain is small. The Yanks can surf, sun, mountain climb, cruise, ski, cross a desert and everything else whilst staying within their borders. Why would the majority go overseas and pay more for the same whilst being patronised by us?
Yanks - don't react to the unpleasant digs at you on here. You're better than that. Most of you anyway.
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you'd likely find the denizens there scoffing at your notion of loyalty, or even self identification with British anything.
Scuttled, very few here have any beef with American people. It is important to dissociate the people from the policies and actions of the politicians (and by extension the nation), and it is those actions with which I have an issue. If the politicians actually represented the people instead of those who paid for their campaigns then we'd see a very different country.
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Fair enough. I agree with most of your response to my rant. But I do think you have, in previous posts, been quite insulting and patronising toward our cousins though. I'm not surprised by their reaction to your perceived 'digs'. They're probably quite insulted as they are so supportive of us.
Fair enough. I agree with most of your response to my rant. But I do think you have, in previous posts, been quite insulting and patronising toward our cousins though. I'm not surprised by their reaction to your perceived 'digs'. They're probably quite insulted as they are so supportive of us.
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Please point out where I have been either insulting or patronising as that wasn't my intent - it would be very clear to all if I was being either
As for their being supportive, that's not altruism, and it would be hopelessly naive to think that they get nothing out of that relationship. The same is, of course, true of all such relationships between nation states.
As for their being supportive, that's not altruism, and it would be hopelessly naive to think that they get nothing out of that relationship. The same is, of course, true of all such relationships between nation states.
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The Yanks can surf, sun, mountain climb, cruise, ski, cross a desert and everything else whilst staying within their borders.
Yanks - don't react to the unpleasant digs at you on here. You're better than that. Most of you anyway.
While thoughtful of you to say, and I won't speak for everyone, as a rule we're a little thicker skinned than to be insulted by a post or two on PPRuNe. That said, we're also quite capable of being far more critical of ourselves than anyone else could be.
I personally thought that hval's post was a glimpse into our future, if we don't make some serious adjustments.
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HVAL's post was a great example of British satire. I'm waving the flag (in my mind) with a cynical British smirk when I read that. Great stuff.
As for the rest of your post.... Well - you're not, as a nation, thick skinned at all my friend. Far from it. And therein lies the basic charm of the American people. I'm a convert. Can you tell? I still want to go home soon though, I need to be clear on that!
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Oh do come on! I'm really enjoying your work though.
HVAL's post was a great example of British satire. I'm waving the flag (in my mind) with a cynical British smirk when I read that. Great stuff.
As for the rest of your post.... Well - you're not, as a nation, thick skinned at all my friend. Far from it. And therein lies the basic charm of the American people. I'm a convert. Can you tell? I still want to go home soon though, I need to be clear on that!
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Oh do come on! I'm really enjoying your work though.
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Sorry HVAL!
I was trying to explain to a couple of foreign colleagues at work what different parties were getting het up about or how subtle points were being made through humour.
I was still, firmly, in dumbed-down mode when I typed that.
I was trying to explain to a couple of foreign colleagues at work what different parties were getting het up about or how subtle points were being made through humour.
I was still, firmly, in dumbed-down mode when I typed that.
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Thank you for understanding and explaining my humour.
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Mike7777777,
Good lord Mike! How dare you criticise the Daily Outrage! I am the Editor of this prestige rag, reporter of truths, non exaggerator of facts, and non phone hacker of phones.
Just for that we are going to make up some stories about yourself. Whoops, sorry I meant meant write some human interest stories about you, an obviously deeply interesting character for our highly intelligent readers.
PS. Mike7777777, I do hope you realise all the above is a joke.
Bar the first line, your post closely resembled a collection of Daily Flail headlines! Albeit slightly more demented than usual, but not by much.
Just for that we are going to make up some stories about yourself. Whoops, sorry I meant meant write some human interest stories about you, an obviously deeply interesting character for our highly intelligent readers.
PS. Mike7777777, I do hope you realise all the above is a joke.
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Iran Updates
On Sunday, tomorrow, the Iranian parliament (the Majlis) will vote on cutting off oil exports to Europe, which currently amount to 450,000 to 600,000 barrels of oil per day, in response to the embargo. They are looking at cutting off oil for five years.
The EU could possibly forgo around half the volume of oil it imports from Iran simply through economic contraction. The expected increase in exports from Libya, as its oil industry recovers from the civil war, may also help fill the gap.
Iran's foreign minister warned Arab neighbors on Thursday not to put themselves in a "dangerous position" by aligning themselves too closely with the United States in the escalating dispute over Tehran's nuclear activity.
The Pentagon is rushing a “mothership” to the Middle East to be used by commando teams as unrest in the region heightens. The U.S. Navy is planning to refit the USS Ponce, an amphibious transport docking ship, which was about to be retired and decommissioned. It will now be modified into an “Afloat Forward Staging Base” and used to support mine-clearance ships, smaller patrol ships and aircraft in the Middle East.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said that Tehran is ready to sit down with world powers for talks on its alleged nuclear ambitions as he downplayed the harmful effects of newly imposed sanctions. The other countries who have been involved in "talks" with Iran in the past say that when it comes to talks "Iran is willing to talk about anything but the nuclear issues".
The EU could possibly forgo around half the volume of oil it imports from Iran simply through economic contraction. The expected increase in exports from Libya, as its oil industry recovers from the civil war, may also help fill the gap.
Iran's foreign minister warned Arab neighbors on Thursday not to put themselves in a "dangerous position" by aligning themselves too closely with the United States in the escalating dispute over Tehran's nuclear activity.
The Pentagon is rushing a “mothership” to the Middle East to be used by commando teams as unrest in the region heightens. The U.S. Navy is planning to refit the USS Ponce, an amphibious transport docking ship, which was about to be retired and decommissioned. It will now be modified into an “Afloat Forward Staging Base” and used to support mine-clearance ships, smaller patrol ships and aircraft in the Middle East.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said that Tehran is ready to sit down with world powers for talks on its alleged nuclear ambitions as he downplayed the harmful effects of newly imposed sanctions. The other countries who have been involved in "talks" with Iran in the past say that when it comes to talks "Iran is willing to talk about anything but the nuclear issues".
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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There's more than enough emergency reserves to fill the gap in the short term; and Saudi has promised to fulfil any gap in the medium term at the same price.
Next..........
Next..........
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Racedo,
What would you call it? I couldn't think of a better term. It was a somewhat complex situation, where internal groups had a slight contretemps. One side got assistance from external forces.
What would you call it? I couldn't think of a better term. It was a somewhat complex situation, where internal groups had a slight contretemps. One side got assistance from external forces.
What would you call it? I couldn't think of a better term. It was a somewhat complex situation, where internal groups had a slight contretemps. One side got assistance from external forces.
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"Sure. Enough oil will be supplied by somone from somewhere.
If Iran stop selling it to us though, it's just going to drive the price ever higher thanks to the spivs and speculators, ermm gallant traders I mean.
About the last thing we need."
If Iran stop selling it to us though, it's just going to drive the price ever higher thanks to the spivs and speculators, ermm gallant traders I mean.
About the last thing we need."
Saudi Arabia and others have excess capacity, they could increase production and dump more oil on the market to fill any void with the corresponding decrease in the price.
Saudi Arabia and others have excess capacity, they could increase production and dump more oil on the market to fill any void with the corresponding decrease in the price.
Indian Gold for Iranian Oil: How Far Will America Go to Defend the Dollar?
Stumbled across this blog entry, which if there is any semblence of truth in it, could make the situation even more 'interesting'. 
Click the link to read more about this potential scenario.
The world became a far more dangerous place last night after reports surfaced of a gold-for-oil deal between Iran and its second biggest oil exporting market, India.
According to an Israeli-based news website, New Delhi has agreed to purchase Iranian oil in gold while Tehran’s second largest export market, China, is poised to do the same. By cutting out Wall Street and The City of London, the gold-for-oil deal allows New Delhi (and Beijing if it follows suit) to ensure a steady flow of energy while circumventing US and EU sanctions punishing financial institutions that do business with Tehran. The biggest beneficiary of this new oil pricing model though is undoubtedly Iran. Not only does it make a laughing stock out of US-led sanctions; it has the power to severely curtail America’s death grip on the global economy.
According to an Israeli-based news website, New Delhi has agreed to purchase Iranian oil in gold while Tehran’s second largest export market, China, is poised to do the same. By cutting out Wall Street and The City of London, the gold-for-oil deal allows New Delhi (and Beijing if it follows suit) to ensure a steady flow of energy while circumventing US and EU sanctions punishing financial institutions that do business with Tehran. The biggest beneficiary of this new oil pricing model though is undoubtedly Iran. Not only does it make a laughing stock out of US-led sanctions; it has the power to severely curtail America’s death grip on the global economy.