Iran Threatens to Close Strait of Hormuz
I'm aware of that... If the Ayatollahs are happy to have him use the rhetoric he does then they are happy with it. They are the ones that scare me because they work far more deeply in their religious beliefs.
Its no shock that the demagogue Islamic leaders are all Sunni Muslims in Mosques paid for by the Saudi's but strangely enough there are few Iranian supported ones preaching the same rhetoric around the world.
I'll let the Yanks here shoot you down on that one.
His relection or his ability to wage war without Congressional approval.
Former is a guess, second is fact.
Yep, I'm aware that they were a tad unhappy with him and, like you I'm unsure of what it was, but i go back to my single point:-
Why give someone you don't trust the ability to do something you don't want?
Why give someone you don't trust the ability to do something you don't want?
In Iranians having them the Saudi's and all the other Gulf Democratic states
will require to continue to buy arms and also allows US to keep reminding them about their place.Sunni's have been very expansionist in last 20 years, having a power on doorstep who they hate will force a bit of a rethink.
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His relection or his ability to wage war without Congressional approval.
Former is a guess, second is fact.
Former is a guess, second is fact.
The former is an opinion, the latter is based on the fact that Congress holds the purse strings. He has 90 days to withdraw or he needs the approval of Congress and he must give Congress 48 hours prior warning...
Sounds good on paper....look back at the Libyan deal....violated all of that!
The former is an opinion, the latter is based on the fact that Congress holds the purse strings. He has 90 days to withdraw or he needs the approval of Congress and he must give Congress 48 hours prior warning...
RR declared was on Nicuragua by using proxies including supplying mines to be used against it but never got Congressional approval for it, nor the Iran weapon debacle.
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Shy talk - I think your hatred of the USA is clouding your powers of perception and reason.
racedo - "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time", a repeat by Ahmadinejad of something previously attributed to Khomeni.
Hardly a basis for reasonable negotiation, is it?
racedo - "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time", a repeat by Ahmadinejad of something previously attributed to Khomeni.
Hardly a basis for reasonable negotiation, is it?
Iran: An ex ally that has never threatened us, never attacked us and has no means of doing so. (but also has lots and lots of oil).
Shy Talk,
Did you miss the Embassy takeover a few years back....and the year long hostage holding that followed? Of course....you ignore the support of Terrorist organizations around the Region and World....but then I know those are mere trivialities to you.
The situation is far more complicated than you seem to consider.
If it was all about Oil as you suggest....why did we just pull all ( that means...every last one of them) of our troops out of Iraq? If it was about the Oil it would have become the 51st State perhaps with a permanent American Military presence to secure the source of all that oil.
I guess it was North Sea Oil that made us get involved in two World Wars in Europe too....following your logic.
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Shy talk:
You jump to a lot of conclusions...
I am a British citizen who has resisted the temptation of going to the dark side for almost 25 years...
Just for accuracy's sake...
You jump to a lot of conclusions...
You Yanks need to wise up- a lot.
Just for accuracy's sake...
Shy Talk is right.
You look at most of these conflicts, loads of willy waving, Loads of s***e spoken by great leaders and more importantly lots of young lives wasted because of great leaders going to show the previous one how it should be done.
If the economies of countries is that bad get our forces home and leave these foreigin battles alone.
If the strait of Hormuz is closed let the nations involved sort it out through talks which will save young lives. Nearly all conflicts end up been settled through 'peace talks' which if they held prior to openning fire would have saved loads of lives, billions of whatever currency and loads of heartache for the families left behind.
Will Blair, Brown, Bush, Obama and co be brought to the Haig charge with war crimes?
Rant over.
Just seems so silly when you look back and see what has happened
You look at most of these conflicts, loads of willy waving, Loads of s***e spoken by great leaders and more importantly lots of young lives wasted because of great leaders going to show the previous one how it should be done.
If the economies of countries is that bad get our forces home and leave these foreigin battles alone.
If the strait of Hormuz is closed let the nations involved sort it out through talks which will save young lives. Nearly all conflicts end up been settled through 'peace talks' which if they held prior to openning fire would have saved loads of lives, billions of whatever currency and loads of heartache for the families left behind.
Will Blair, Brown, Bush, Obama and co be brought to the Haig charge with war crimes?
Rant over.
Just seems so silly when you look back and see what has happened
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You look at most of these conflicts, loads of willy waving, Loads of s***e spoken by great leaders and more importantly lots of young lives wasted because of great leaders going to show the previous one how it should be done.
If the economies of countries is that bad get our forces home and leave these foreigin battles alone.
If the strait of Hormuz is closed let the nations involved sort it out through talks which will save young lives. Nearly all conflicts end up been settled through 'peace talks' which if they held prior to openning fire would have saved loads of lives, billions of whatever currency and loads of heartache for the families left behind.
Will Blair, Brown, Bush, Obama and co be brought to the Haig charge with war crimes?
Rant over.
Just seems so silly when you look back and see what has happened
If the economies of countries is that bad get our forces home and leave these foreigin battles alone.
If the strait of Hormuz is closed let the nations involved sort it out through talks which will save young lives. Nearly all conflicts end up been settled through 'peace talks' which if they held prior to openning fire would have saved loads of lives, billions of whatever currency and loads of heartache for the families left behind.
Will Blair, Brown, Bush, Obama and co be brought to the Haig charge with war crimes?
Rant over.
Just seems so silly when you look back and see what has happened
Not sitting on one side of the fence or another but one must put oneself in Iran's position to understand their actions.
This is a once very proud nation, who as Persians, consider themselves superior to the Arabs around them, who have grown in influence through oil. Iran is an ancient country, with a long history of education, science, equal treatment of women etc.
They went through a revolution in the 1970s to get rid of a regime that was perceived to be corrupt. They had a war with a hostile neighbour (Iraq) that was supported by Russia. They had an invasion of the country next to them (Afghanistan) by the russians, then the Pakistani Taliban and now NATO. They had an airliner full of civilians shot down by what they percieve as an aggressive overseas nation, who also support Israel.
They are surrounded by Arabs nations who have a predominantly Sunni ruling class. Shia Muslims (most of who are in Iran) are treated as second class citizens (see recent problems in Bahrain). these Sunni nations have armed themselves with technology from the US/UK/NATO and these are also a threat to their country, with the exception of one or two moderate nations in the region. They have Nuclear proliferation and huge military growth in Pakistan and India, with the threat of those nations igniting the whole region and criminal drug cartels operating heroin production in Afghanistan.
On top of that, the only nation in the world that has used nuclear weapons in anger and its allies, has imposed sanctions on the country which is hurting it but, if it changes its attitude and becomes compliant it will appear weak (un-Iranian) and then open itself up to attack on itself and its resources by those other nations, who also claim areas that Iran holds.
So is it any wonder the nation behaves the way it does. If the US had a hostile canada and mexico on its doorstep, with Chinese warships sailing up and down its coast and the EU applying economic sanctions on it, would they behave any differently?
This is a once very proud nation, who as Persians, consider themselves superior to the Arabs around them, who have grown in influence through oil. Iran is an ancient country, with a long history of education, science, equal treatment of women etc.
They went through a revolution in the 1970s to get rid of a regime that was perceived to be corrupt. They had a war with a hostile neighbour (Iraq) that was supported by Russia. They had an invasion of the country next to them (Afghanistan) by the russians, then the Pakistani Taliban and now NATO. They had an airliner full of civilians shot down by what they percieve as an aggressive overseas nation, who also support Israel.
They are surrounded by Arabs nations who have a predominantly Sunni ruling class. Shia Muslims (most of who are in Iran) are treated as second class citizens (see recent problems in Bahrain). these Sunni nations have armed themselves with technology from the US/UK/NATO and these are also a threat to their country, with the exception of one or two moderate nations in the region. They have Nuclear proliferation and huge military growth in Pakistan and India, with the threat of those nations igniting the whole region and criminal drug cartels operating heroin production in Afghanistan.
On top of that, the only nation in the world that has used nuclear weapons in anger and its allies, has imposed sanctions on the country which is hurting it but, if it changes its attitude and becomes compliant it will appear weak (un-Iranian) and then open itself up to attack on itself and its resources by those other nations, who also claim areas that Iran holds.
So is it any wonder the nation behaves the way it does. If the US had a hostile canada and mexico on its doorstep, with Chinese warships sailing up and down its coast and the EU applying economic sanctions on it, would they behave any differently?
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yup
they have Russians to the N, the Chinese to the East, the Indians & pakistanis to the south east, the yanks with an enormous base right on their doorstep and the ever cheerful Zionists sitting just over the horizon - all armed with A Bombs
If I was Iranian I'd think it was a DUTY for the country to acquire an A Bomb as fast as possible
they have Russians to the N, the Chinese to the East, the Indians & pakistanis to the south east, the yanks with an enormous base right on their doorstep and the ever cheerful Zionists sitting just over the horizon - all armed with A Bombs
If I was Iranian I'd think it was a DUTY for the country to acquire an A Bomb as fast as possible
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yup
they have Russians to the N, the Chinese to the East, the Indians & pakistanis to the south east, the yanks with an enormous base right on their doorstep and the ever cheerful Zionists sitting just over the horizon - all armed with A Bombs
If I was Iranian I'd think it was a DUTY for the country to acquire an A Bomb as fast as possible
they have Russians to the N, the Chinese to the East, the Indians & pakistanis to the south east, the yanks with an enormous base right on their doorstep and the ever cheerful Zionists sitting just over the horizon - all armed with A Bombs
If I was Iranian I'd think it was a DUTY for the country to acquire an A Bomb as fast as possible
Still, it must be difficult, because all those nations that have the weapons desperately do not want any other nations to have them. Being able to threaten nuclear strike gives an advantage. That advantage goes away if the strike-ee can then lob one back at you. A bit like the Russians having a strong dislike for missile radars on its borders. Early-enough warning reduces the effectiveness of their deterrent/diplomatic big stick.
If the Iranians had gone about it in a different manner, and refrained from international belligerence, things might be a bit different. Of course the Israelis would still be up in arms, but when's that ever changed in the Middle East?
If only one party in the game wants a fight, we get a fight.
So very true....and as the Iranians have been fighting us since the late 70's when they overthrew the Pahlavi's....that had been installed by the CIA efforts....here we are.
The question is not are we in a fight...but what kind and where it is headed.
The "Persian" warrior mindset.....oh yes....I do recall the conflict "Persians" had when working as a Waiter in a Bar or Restaurant. End result was sullen, sorry, terrible service. The Airport Bar in Ahwaz stands out in my mind....but that is another story. Also...a car full of five young Iranian men who were completely intimidated by one angry Infidel in the streets of Tehran one afternoon. They were fighters as they drove by....and awfully meek and shy when stopped in a traffic jam a minute later. "Persian Warrior" indeed! That is a bit of a farce so many hundred years later....back then maybe...but not now. They may think it...but talk without the walk is doomed to failure.
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All this is just one of the effect of the law of unintended consequences, which seems as reliable as Murphy's law.
The break up of the Ottoman empire after WW1, with artificial frontiers just drawn on maps without any regard to population mixes has caused virtually all the trouble in the Middle East since then The Kurds across Turkish and Iraq frontiers are a case in point
The break up of the Ottoman empire after WW1, with artificial frontiers just drawn on maps without any regard to population mixes has caused virtually all the trouble in the Middle East since then The Kurds across Turkish and Iraq frontiers are a case in point