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New Gen AirShips - Hybrid Air Vehicles, UK

Old 18th Nov 2017, 18:25
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I understand that it is safely deflated and not broken. Perhaps we shouldn't write it off just yet. Seems to me that it can fly again.
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 19:32
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I wondered what that big Whopee-cushion sound was!

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Old 18th Nov 2017, 19:36
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Originally Posted by Rosevidney1 View Post
I understand that it is safely deflated and not broken. Perhaps we shouldn't write it off just yet. Seems to me that it can fly again.
Hangarage might be a problem to blow it back up. Haven't they vacated the Cardington hangar now??
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 23:07
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Not sure I would want to fly in something that has an auto-deflation mechanism. Do they wear parachutes...
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 10:19
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Insurance claim

Latest news is that the Company has announced that they are to claim the ‘writeoff’ value of £32,000,000 from insurers.
Some mention of proceeding with “production standard” build, but then they would, wouldn’t they.
Suspect this is the end of the line.

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Old 28th Nov 2017, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Rosevidney1 View Post
I understand that it is safely deflated and not broken. Perhaps we shouldn't write it off just yet. Seems to me that it can fly again.
I think we can add 'safely deflated' to the same list as 'safely disassembled' when used to describe the scattered bits of metal following an aircraft crash.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 17:09
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KiloB You suggest that
they are to claim the ‘writeoff’ value of £32,000,000 from insurers
My understanding of insurance niceties is skimpy, but that's not quite what Airlander says in its statement of 27 Nov. Here it is in full (my bold)
Our incident with the pre-production Airlander aircraft on Saturday 18 Nov has resulted in substantial damage. Our initial assessment is that the aircraft detached from its moorings in light winds for reasons that will be determined from our ongoing investigation. The aircraft is now deflated and secure on the edge of the airfield, and is being recovered to Hangar 2 at Cardington..

There were no serious injuries resulting from this ground incident.

The damage to the Airlander aircraft will result in a claim under our insurance policy of up to £32 million, being the maximum insured value.

This incident follows a very successful flight test last Friday. Moreover, we have gained a great deal of data, information and expertise from our previous successful flight tests. We look forward to using the knowledge gained and to working with all our potential military and civil customers to develop and build production standard Airlander aircraft to meet their operational and business needs. While the damage to the aircraft will no doubt impact on our timescales and plans, our successes to date make us confident that Airlander will provide the capabilities and opportunities that will address the $45 billion market that has been independently assessed.
https://www.hybridairvehicles.com/ne...-november-2017

Could it not be that they figure it'll cost all of that just to fix it? Or that the £32m is the first bargaining position? Or even that their 'up to' figure is just an indication of the maximum, and they may not even claim that?

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Old 28th Nov 2017, 20:16
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By the way, to keep things in proportion: the entire cost of this X-plane program to date, including stuff that the US Army spent on a sensor suite, can't be much more than one-tenth of the overrun charges that Airbus has eaten so far on one military program.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 22:15
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Originally Posted by airsound View Post
KiloB You suggest thatMy understanding of insurance niceties is skimpy, but that's not quite what Airlander says in its statement of 27 Nov. Here it is in full (my bold)https://www.hybridairvehicles.com/ne...-november-2017

Could it not be that they figure it'll cost all of that just to fix it? Or that the £32m is the first bargaining position? Or even that their 'up to' figure is just an indication of the maximum, and they may not even claim that?

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Airsound, my reading of the Press Release was that they will be applying to the Insurers for a full right off, but cannot unilaterally make that assessment. The comment about ‘Production Model’ reinforced that thought.
I will be genuinely surprised if it ever flies again. Time will tell.
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 20:43
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We look forward to using the knowledge gained and to working with all our potential military and civil customers to develop and build production standard Airlander aircraft to meet their operational and business needs
What a fikkin’ joke, there is no mythical market for this thing. It was written off in the lightest of winds. As has been said time and again, it is a complete waste of money/effort.
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 21:01
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they are to claim the ‘writeoff’ value of £32,000,000 from insurers
£32M just might keep the otherwise busted company afloat, but would they ever find an insurer again?

Without insurance, their amusing balloon will never be allowed to fly again.

Bust!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 15:30
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There is optimism & then there is...

HAV poised to launch Airlander 10 production

Article on Flight Global this week.

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:01
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For the high end leisure market?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 17:46
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A total waste of time, effort and money. It will go exactly the same way the last Thermo-Skyship-Hybrid-Air-Vehicle-Airship-Indsutries-Aerospace-Developments-Airship-Developments company has gone. This same lot have been at it since 1970!

Just waiting to sell more snake oil to unsuspecting investors! (Allegedly)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airship_Industries
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 17:55
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A total waste of time, effort and money. It will go exactly the same way the last Thermo-Skyship-Hybrid-Air-Vehicle-Airship-Indsutries-Aerospace-Developments-Airship-Developments company has gone. This same lot have been at it since 1970!

Just waiting to sell more snake oil to unsuspecting investors! (Allegedly)
Does being so negative give you pleasure or do you just want to be a miserable bugger?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 18:10
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I just there are better things to invest in British aviation than this heap of junk with a limited market:

1. A new next-generation jet trainer to replace Hawk.
2. The SABRE hybrid rocket engine.
3. The new generation of satellite launch vehicles for the UK Space Industry.
4. An aerobatic light aircraft for general aviation.
5. An unmanned combat aircraft.

Crikey, I would even sooner see the money spent on Dead Dog’s supersonic car!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:44
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Originally Posted by Corporal Clott View Post
I just there are better things to invest in British aviation than this heap of junk with a limited market:

1. A new next-generation jet trainer to replace Hawk.
2. The SABRE hybrid rocket engine.
3. The new generation of satellite launch vehicles for the UK Space Industry.
4. An aerobatic light aircraft for general aviation.
5. An unmanned combat aircraft.

Crikey, I would even sooner see the money spent on Dead Dog’s supersonic car!

But what would a bored billionaire invest in if they didn't like your list of your favourite lottery winners?

And what would a coastal monitoring organisation want with that list?

Horses for courses.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:06
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But what would a bored billionaire invest in if they didn't like your list of your favourite lottery winners?

And what would a coastal monitoring organisation want with that list?

Horses for courses.
The chance of future revenues?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:24
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Unmanned Droid - exactly.

Look at item 1 on my proposed wish list - a new UK basic jet trainer. Well these guys are looking for investors: https://aeralis.com/




I would suggest there is a bigger market for this and a greater requirement. There are only so many investors around, so why waste it on a giant gas bag rather than something else more likely to be a success for GB.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 22:35
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"Poised" is a very useful and flexible word.

Mind you, I always thought that nighttime airborne s--g* cruises around the world's scenic wonders would be a good choice as an early accessible market, Quiet and roomy and easy to fit the gondola with big picture windows.

* that's "snog", you naughty boy
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