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Old 8th Sep 2011, 20:29
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Many airline pilots in civvy street have a phobia of coming to work
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 20:50
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anything higher than a pair of high heels and I'm done for.

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Er, did I just write that?

The high heels bit?
Law of unintended consequences.

Young lady (?) legs going up for ever. 5 inch heels with one inch soles. Then she had to bend over to pick something up.

The platform soles meant she could not reach the ground.

Being the elderly gentleman that I am I manouevred around to her 6. shortly thereafter I sustained a stinging blow to my ear.
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Old 9th Sep 2011, 03:17
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I'd have a go at that climb if I had to. At least there was plenty to hang onto.

The thing I hate is climbing up a corrugated iron roof with a decent pitch on it like ours, to adjust the TV antenna or whatever. You know you won't slip if you just take it slowly, but the thought of it is excruciating.
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My dear chap, you simply need to secure a stout rope to the rear bumper of your 'Ute Truck' & toss it over your roof from the other side of the house; instant security.

However, you may wish to disable said vehicle in a major way, lest your Sheila should fancy popping to your most adjacent shopping Mall to purchase a pair of Kangaroo-skin Manolo Blahniks, whilst you are perched upon said roof (don't tie yourself on........)

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Old 9th Sep 2011, 10:38
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Good call, HB! I'll remember that one, particularly the bit about disabling the ute.

She does have a tendency to take off at a million miles an hour to go emu shooting, which is our national sport. If you we get a roo and an emu at the same time, that's even better, because we can eat our own coat of arms.

Seriously but, great advice.
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I never thought I would read what you just put on a UK orientated Air forum !
Not many people know about the "Coat of Arms" shoot.

BTW, I was always told it was one after the other, not necessarily at the same time.

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Old 9th Sep 2011, 11:08
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She does have a tendency to take off at a million miles an hour to go emu shooting,
Be very careful with Emus and a roof.

Rod Hull's Emu pushed him off the roof while he was adjusting his TV aerial.....
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I never realised Emus could fly
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My understanding was that Rod Hull had asked Emu to hold the ladder.
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Watched the video.
Couldn't believe the safety clip used at the end was far too big for the metal steps - it would've just slipped straight off!

Also spotted the Jubilee clips holding the top of the tower on - cheap or what?
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On fear of "exposure" or to give it its technical name "acrophobia"...
So I'm afraid of exposure? Because wherever I look acrophobia is the fear of heights...

I jumped 50 times with barely a worry... I used to love the balloon jumps - front somersault and all. I had no problem standing on the external step of the Puma as we began an approach to No-Name Rebro in Belize, (about 1000'AGL).

But now I won't stand on the glass floor in the CN Tower in Toronto, (about 1200'), and I have "nightmares" from time to time where I am on a very narrow and high, (often only high enough to do severe damage), ledges, or similarly "awkward" situations and I'm petrified - I always "freeze up". I often wonder if I had a monkey harness or a parachute whether I would suffer the same illogical fear...
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 08:59
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Some years back, whilst defending the frontier as an Immigration Officer at Heathrow, there were passengers from a flight from Sydney coming through. One came to my desk...I looked at him and said "Why are you wearing a parachute?" He told me had had been wearing it the whole trip and I was the first to notice! As he said, imagine how it would feel if everything went pearshaped and your parachute was down with the baggage.....

As for personal flying phobia, I also get the "trapped under the wires" dream...high speed, very low but the aeroplane responds so slowly I can't find my way up through a gap. There's a sequence in a film called "Porco Rosso" ( a weird cartoon) which is very close to the feeling.
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Other than the sematics you've just agreed with me 100 percent. And what you decribe is identical to what I feel too.

I often wonder if I had a monkey harness or a parachute whether I would suffer the same illogical fear...
If you were tied on...no (or not to anywhere near the same degree). Parachute....you probably be equally fearful, but because now your conscious mind would be reminding you of all the nutjobs that have wiped themselves out base jumping.

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Just a thought...I take it you know "exposure" in this context is fear of being near the edge of a high place...not fear of having your willy out??
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 13:34
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I looked at him and said "Why are you wearing a parachute?" He told me had had been wearing it the whole trip and I was the first to notice!
Yeah, nice one. And what is the easiest way to carry a parachute and all your luggage from the carousel

OTOH we once booked a chap to fly to Iceland. He only had carry on luggage:

Immersion suit, life preserved including explosive pyros, parachute harness, parachute, bone dome, and was wearing a flying suit.

Now I would have loved to know what his fellow passengers thought. The aircraft might even have been a 727!
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TOFO:

I don't like being on the edge of anything high with or without my willie out...

The Base Jumping thing has crossed my mind funnily enough and I've wondered if the fear would change a little from the actual fall to the fall and hitting the tower on the way down.

It's all pretty academic at this point. We live not far from Toronto and love the place so we will be returning. We will also be taking our adopted daughter and at some point we'll be going back up the tower. I have promised myself that I will not pass on any illogical fears to her so, whether I like it or not, I'm walking across it...
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 14:15
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Well there's one reassuring thing, I'm not the only one who turns to jelly at the top of a ladder.

I'll fly as high as you like with 3 mm of metal between me and outside, but that video is spooky.

I'm sitting safe as houses on my couch and I turned a bit nauseous looking at that - how ridiculous.

The only other phobia is running out of Mars bars and having to face my (then) 2 year old when I got back from flying.
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 17:05
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I was absolutely fine - honest. Until he went 'outside' and then I'm shouting at the screen "use the clip, use the f****** clip. Please."
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 17:08
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Hanging from a paraglider wing suspended by kevlar lines thinner than a shoelace.... no problem. Spiral dive the wing pulling several G watching the ground rush up to meet me...... wheeeeeeee. Lying flat across propane cylinders swapping tanks in a hot air balloon at 3000 feet with a basic safety harness..... easy.

Up a ladder painting the ceiling above the stairwell..........
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 21:30
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Stairway to Heaven Vid

Every step up I was cringing - mostly because each step up meant another step back down again and it's the climbing down bit I fear (oh and standing on the top with the sway)!

Cruise Zombie:- Flying phobia? Yeah, 2 of them:

1 - Aerobatics in any a/c without a MB letdown option. Started after hearing of a Pitts that augered in near my home town - the pilot's leg bone penetrated the floor from the force he was applying on impact. All because the rudder rigging came loose and he lost rudder authority during a spin;

2 - Flying commercial. Every flight I had/have an irrational fear it's going to crash. Earliest memories of it starting was after my 3rd near miss when Joe Lighty appeared in my windscreen during an IRT without a single RDO call entering the circuit - the IRE's sharp intake of breath alerted me to something amiss and looking up, it was clear avoiding action was too late but luckily also unnecessary as he was already in the 12 o'clock passing left. Just one of the reasons I never took up that option on joining civvy street - as pax, nearly 10 years on, it's still there but diminishing over time. About the time I started having kids, the phobia evolved to include hijacking so the original decision was reinforced. Also reckon I read too many crash comics.

I've not heard anyone discuss the topic so well done for raising it. I wouldn't have a clue if I'm in my own minority but it doesn't matter to me.

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Many years ago I was doing my ground tour as a P Staff chap at Training Command and I seem to remember something about Pteraphobia which, as I recall, was almost a taboo subject. It seems that it was considered infectious so, if anyone was afflicted they were very quickly hustled of in some secrecy and eased out of the force. Never actually came into contact with it personally but I was certainly briefed on the matter. This was at about the same time (not too long after WW2) as PN's AEO who I knew. What turned him was a close relative being killed (maybe a brother) in a V bomber crash. I believe he actually became a solicitor in the end
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