Somali pirates caught by Russian Navy
Pr00ne,
Usual fluffy argument you make....as you completely disallow the folks on scene the capacity to determine when to cut loose with the fireworks. The sad fact there are so many hostages being held and the failed policies that allowed that to happen only plays into the hands of the Pirates.
I would suggest the World's Spec Ops community could begin to sort that situation out following a blanket warning from the heads of states of the folks being held. Make it very plain.....harm a hostage and reap the whirlwind....no quarter given. The politics of that would begin to bring heat on the Pirates from those that currently thrive on the money this enterprise brings in. If it were death and destruction instead of the money....I suggest Pirates would become persona non grata in the villages, towns, and ports.
Pirates are theives and wish to be around to spend their booty....getting killed puts paid to that amibition. The key is the absolute certainty of that result that shall put an end to this business.
Usual fluffy argument you make....as you completely disallow the folks on scene the capacity to determine when to cut loose with the fireworks. The sad fact there are so many hostages being held and the failed policies that allowed that to happen only plays into the hands of the Pirates.
I would suggest the World's Spec Ops community could begin to sort that situation out following a blanket warning from the heads of states of the folks being held. Make it very plain.....harm a hostage and reap the whirlwind....no quarter given. The politics of that would begin to bring heat on the Pirates from those that currently thrive on the money this enterprise brings in. If it were death and destruction instead of the money....I suggest Pirates would become persona non grata in the villages, towns, and ports.
Pirates are theives and wish to be around to spend their booty....getting killed puts paid to that amibition. The key is the absolute certainty of that result that shall put an end to this business.
Pr00ne - Glad to see I'm not the only one who's not keen on transforming our armed forces into state-sponsored murderers subject to trial by the ICC. These pirates are plain and simple criminals, not combatants or terrorists. Start killing lowly minions indiscriminately at sea (plus the inevitable innocent parties as on previous occasions) and things will escalate to the point where their bosses start mailing bits of their victims, or videos of the odd one being killed, to shipping companies. Losing some of the 'hired help' won't stop them.
As you say, thank goodness none of these bloodthirsty keyboard warriors are in a position of authority.
As you say, thank goodness none of these bloodthirsty keyboard warriors are in a position of authority.
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These pirates are plain and simple criminals
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Thanks Pr00ne a worthy answer but still not satis.
They are not exempt from my comments ref balls.
A much sterner and robust response is required in order to deter the "pirates" and if some innocents get hurt or killed in the process that is the sad but necessary consequence of taking appropriate action. I, like you back in the 70's, knew that when we got airborne with our basket of sunshine many innocents would die but that's what we would have done...isn't it?
Serious decisions need to be made and balls of steel (even for the girls) are called for to make those decisions. I say again, sadly it will not happen in my lifetime, but I really do not want the world my children and their children live in to be controlled by the wet, witless dreamers who seem to be in abundance at present.
The wet tomb driver I met was clearly not you Pr00ne, you at least have opinions!
the City of London, where an awful lot of this is managed from, take advice from the military and the likes of the UN.
A much sterner and robust response is required in order to deter the "pirates" and if some innocents get hurt or killed in the process that is the sad but necessary consequence of taking appropriate action. I, like you back in the 70's, knew that when we got airborne with our basket of sunshine many innocents would die but that's what we would have done...isn't it?
Serious decisions need to be made and balls of steel (even for the girls) are called for to make those decisions. I say again, sadly it will not happen in my lifetime, but I really do not want the world my children and their children live in to be controlled by the wet, witless dreamers who seem to be in abundance at present.
The wet tomb driver I met was clearly not you Pr00ne, you at least have opinions!
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Originally Posted by SASless
Obama was going to send the FBI to the Maersk Alabama scene to negotiate with the Pirates....the on-site Commander used his ROE's to remedy the situation by turning the SEAL's loose. A few rifle shots to the heads of the Pirates and the Alabama Captain was a free Man.
US acted after pirates aimed at ship captain
Reuters April 12, 2009
President Barack Obama gave authority to kill the Somali pirates holding U.S. cargo ship captain Richard Phillips, and a commander acted when he concluded the pirates were about to kill the hostage, a U.S. Navy official said on Sunday.
"They were pointing the AK-47s at the captain," Vice Adm. William Gortney, head of the U.S. Naval Central Command, said in a Pentagon briefing from Bahrain.
Gortney also said Washington had rejected negotiations with the pirates. "The United States government policy is to not negotiate," he said.
Reuters April 12, 2009
President Barack Obama gave authority to kill the Somali pirates holding U.S. cargo ship captain Richard Phillips, and a commander acted when he concluded the pirates were about to kill the hostage, a U.S. Navy official said on Sunday.
"They were pointing the AK-47s at the captain," Vice Adm. William Gortney, head of the U.S. Naval Central Command, said in a Pentagon briefing from Bahrain.
Gortney also said Washington had rejected negotiations with the pirates. "The United States government policy is to not negotiate," he said.
I/C
Originally Posted by SAMXXV
...I'm sure that if a member of YOUR family was taken by a simpleton, drug crazed african & subjected to terror, rape (male or female) & beaten black & blue, you would demand summary justice.....
Why should any nation have to spend thousands of pounds every year in keeping/feeding these monsters - as we in the UK do?
Why should any nation have to spend thousands of pounds every year in keeping/feeding these monsters - as we in the UK do?
BBC News - French hostage Marie Dedieu held in Somalia dies
Well, that's the Kenyan coast off the holiday list. Lets hope the Tassy pirates don't come up the east coast for a month or so.
A French woman kidnapped from Kenya by suspected Somali militants earlier this month has died
Mrs Dedieu, 66, was one of four Westerners taken from Kenya in October.
In September, Briton David Tebbutt was killed and his wife Judith abducted
last month, two female Spanish aid workers were seized from the Dadaab refugee camp near the Kenya-Somalia
Mrs Dedieu, 66, was one of four Westerners taken from Kenya in October.
In September, Briton David Tebbutt was killed and his wife Judith abducted
last month, two female Spanish aid workers were seized from the Dadaab refugee camp near the Kenya-Somalia
Suspicion breeds confidence
Here's an idea why not put the Dale Farm scum in a mother ship and sink that too? 
I hope they have plenty of disinfectant to clean that site with.
I hope they have plenty of disinfectant to clean that site with.
IC.....you might use other than Reuters as the definitive source on what happened during the Maersk Alabama event. You shall find a much different account from the folks involved in the effort to rescue those folks.
"This decisive and timely action by the Royal Navy, along with the rescue of the Montecristo on 11 October, will send a strong message to those who wish to commit piracy in this part of the world."
Suspicion breeds confidence
Shabaab-Somali pirate links growing - U.N. adviser - RTRS
Today 16:34
Al Shabaab seeking funds from pirate ransoms Puntland aiming to create counter piracy force
By Jonathan Saul and Camila Reed
LONDON, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Cooperation between Somalia's al Qaeda linked militants and pirate gangs is growing as the al Shabaab group becomes more desperate for funding, the head of the U.N.'s counter-piracy unit said on Thursday.
In recent days Kenya launched a cross-border incursion into Somalia to flush out rebels from its frontier area after a series of kidnappings of foreigners in Kenya. The abductions were carried out by gunmen thought to be linked to al Shabaab.
"There is a growing link and growing cooperation between al Shabaab who are desperate for funding and resources with other criminal gangs and with pirates," said Colonel John Steed.
Steed, the principal military adviser to the U.N. special envoy to Somalia and head of the envoy's counter-piracy unit, said pirates were not part of al Shabaab.
"Pirates are one of those potential sources of large amounts of money so there a natural linkage between Shabaab's desire for funding to support their activities and money that pirates are getting from ransoms," he told Reuters Insider TV on the sidelines of a piracy conference in London.
The President of the semi-autonomous Somali state of Puntland Abdirahman Mohamud Farole believed the two had links.
"We are almost sure about that otherwise in the Shabaab held areas pirates will not operate," he told Insider.
Today 16:34
Al Shabaab seeking funds from pirate ransoms Puntland aiming to create counter piracy force
By Jonathan Saul and Camila Reed
LONDON, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Cooperation between Somalia's al Qaeda linked militants and pirate gangs is growing as the al Shabaab group becomes more desperate for funding, the head of the U.N.'s counter-piracy unit said on Thursday.
In recent days Kenya launched a cross-border incursion into Somalia to flush out rebels from its frontier area after a series of kidnappings of foreigners in Kenya. The abductions were carried out by gunmen thought to be linked to al Shabaab.
"There is a growing link and growing cooperation between al Shabaab who are desperate for funding and resources with other criminal gangs and with pirates," said Colonel John Steed.
Steed, the principal military adviser to the U.N. special envoy to Somalia and head of the envoy's counter-piracy unit, said pirates were not part of al Shabaab.
"Pirates are one of those potential sources of large amounts of money so there a natural linkage between Shabaab's desire for funding to support their activities and money that pirates are getting from ransoms," he told Reuters Insider TV on the sidelines of a piracy conference in London.
The President of the semi-autonomous Somali state of Puntland Abdirahman Mohamud Farole believed the two had links.
"We are almost sure about that otherwise in the Shabaab held areas pirates will not operate," he told Insider.
Suspicion breeds confidence
A serious and sensible solution to problem would be to ask the government of Singapore to have vessel on station. Any captured pirates could then be transferred to that for trial. Singapore law of course allows for the execution of pirates
All perfectly legal and above board.
All perfectly legal and above board.
Originally Posted by navaleye
A serious and sensible solution to problem would be to ask the government of Singapore to have vessel on station. Any captured pirates could then be transferred to that for trial. Singapore law of course allows for the execution of pirates 
All perfectly legal and above board.
All perfectly legal and above board.
Originally Posted by Immigration Barristers
There are circumstances which will always prevent extradition taking place. These include cases where the individual’s human rights may be breached or where they may face the death penalty if they are extradited.
Extradition is a legal process where loads of lawyers get loads of money from Legal Aid. Marching them from one ship to another because of rationing problems is much simpler.
They can always try the Chinese; the last lot of pirates they apprehended in the Pearl River aren't around any more.
They can always try the Chinese; the last lot of pirates they apprehended in the Pearl River aren't around any more.
Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
Extradition is a legal process where loads of lawyers get loads of money from Legal Aid. Marching them from one ship to another because of rationing problems is much simpler.
They can always try the Chinese; the last lot of pirates they apprehended in the Pearl River aren't around any more.
They can always try the Chinese; the last lot of pirates they apprehended in the Pearl River aren't around any more.
(Hint: It was in all the papers.)
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No it's not, at least where the UK and most other European nations are concerned:
Suspicion breeds confidence
So what if a Singapore Navy ship caught some pirates and shipped them back to Changi. They could then be tried and given the rope.
Completely legal. Nothing to stop any other country doing the same. The Chinese don't give stuff about about pathetic UN conventions.
Completely legal. Nothing to stop any other country doing the same. The Chinese don't give stuff about about pathetic UN conventions.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm there has to be a catch to this somewhere:
Armed guards to protect British ships from pirates
British ships are to be allowed to carry armed guards to protect them from pirates, David Cameron has announced.
Under the plans, the Home Secretary will be given the power to license vessels to carry armed security, including automatic weapons, currently prohibited under firearms laws.
Full torygraph article: Armed guards to protect British ships from pirates - Telegraph
Armed guards to protect British ships from pirates
British ships are to be allowed to carry armed guards to protect them from pirates, David Cameron has announced.
Under the plans, the Home Secretary will be given the power to license vessels to carry armed security, including automatic weapons, currently prohibited under firearms laws.
Full torygraph article: Armed guards to protect British ships from pirates - Telegraph