PVRs started.....
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From: MARS
Well, I gave back my schilling over a month ago after over a quarter of a century in service. Virtually everyone I spoke to, with a few exceptions, was envious of my decision to leave and were considering it themselves. Reasons for staying ranged from being 'afraid' to being stuck in the CEA trap and having to stay in a few more years to see their sprogs through boarding school.
I have never seen things so bad and there are those posting on here that say, oh well, leave, the grass is not greener. Like many of the management, they have fingers in their ears and are saying 'la, la, la, I'm not listening!'
This will be worse than the 1990s, with three tranches of redundancy hanging over them, people are already in the leaving mindset. There was probably an aspiration for a managed decline in manpower levels but people are not stupid and will not wait for the axe to fall. They will take matters into their own hands.
Me? Very happy thank you!
I have never seen things so bad and there are those posting on here that say, oh well, leave, the grass is not greener. Like many of the management, they have fingers in their ears and are saying 'la, la, la, I'm not listening!'
This will be worse than the 1990s, with three tranches of redundancy hanging over them, people are already in the leaving mindset. There was probably an aspiration for a managed decline in manpower levels but people are not stupid and will not wait for the axe to fall. They will take matters into their own hands.
Me? Very happy thank you!
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From: uk
If the PVR time is 12 months at zero flying pay someone, who if they could stand the stigma, would be better off failing the fitness test. Out in a year with no reduction in flying pay and possibly no pension abatement. Just a thought.
Obviously i'm not advocating this as a course of action.
Obviously i'm not advocating this as a course of action.
Last edited by MechGov; 22nd June 2011 at 20:56. Reason: ass covering
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Boeing warns airlines that time's running out for training - Flightglobal, 22 Jun 11
Worldwide, it would seem that:
Airlines are seeing greater numbers of their pilots being poached by competing carriers, a sure sign that the long-expected pilot shortage is kicking in despite continued economic gloom in the US and Europe.
The average annual training need to meet that demand is 23,000 new pilots and 32,000 new technicians.
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From: between the M6 and M25
Anyone got sight of this IBN? Nothing on the Airspace website as yet. I now have a date from manning that suits me, so have got in just in time. Best of luck to those who are wishing to leave.
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From: Suffolk
Whilst most will be full tilt towards pastures new i wish you all well, but if i may add caution to the mix. Talking from experience be under no illusions the wheels will not come off in absence from the seats, nor "will it show em" because your experience has gone, history dictates big wheels will keep on turning. Future employers will not beat a path to your door because your ex-military, all this qualifies and show's is that you can set an alarm clock and get up and dress yourself on time.
However that said, talking from experience i have been out longer than i was in (compulsory under options for change mid 90's) and never looked back, but don't use your PVR as a protest vote, cause the big house down the old smoke don't know you from the next bloke, your given a number for a reason.
However that said, talking from experience i have been out longer than i was in (compulsory under options for change mid 90's) and never looked back, but don't use your PVR as a protest vote, cause the big house down the old smoke don't know you from the next bloke, your given a number for a reason.
Champagne anyone...?
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Yeah, the IBN is up on the Airspace website now. Dated 22 Jun 11, basically says what's been said above - Early Termination (ET) Waiting Times have reverted to 12 months for pilots of OF3 and below. ETs already staffed etc will remain at 6 months....
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From: East Anglia
As someone who has been out of the RAF for over 15 years now, could someone please explain what all these modern terms - like OF3, SO2, SO3 etc - mean? In my day we just had flt lt, sqn ldr, wg cdr etc.
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The OF numbers refer to the NATO codes for each rank when judging corresponding ranks. OF = Officer OR = Other Ranks
Table for UK ranks is at this linky
SO1,2,3 etc refer to grades of Staff Officers. An SO1 is a Staff Offficer post filled by a wg cdr/cdr/lt col (OF4); an SO2 is a Staff post filled by sqn ldr/lt cdr/maj (OF3); and SO3 post is filled by a junior officer (or sometimes a WO)).
Many people confuse the 2 systems thinking that SO1 refers to all wg cdrs. It doesn't, it only refers to those in staff appointments not those in command.
That said why an RAF IBN refering to RAF pilots needed to use the term OF3 escapes me - we only have one OF3 rank that is squadron leader.
Table for UK ranks is at this linky
SO1,2,3 etc refer to grades of Staff Officers. An SO1 is a Staff Offficer post filled by a wg cdr/cdr/lt col (OF4); an SO2 is a Staff post filled by sqn ldr/lt cdr/maj (OF3); and SO3 post is filled by a junior officer (or sometimes a WO)).
Many people confuse the 2 systems thinking that SO1 refers to all wg cdrs. It doesn't, it only refers to those in staff appointments not those in command.
That said why an RAF IBN refering to RAF pilots needed to use the term OF3 escapes me - we only have one OF3 rank that is squadron leader.
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That said why an RAF IBN refering to RAF pilots needed to use the term OF3 escapes me
