300 Metres of Chinese Whoopass !
Not having been formally schooled on the physics of Ski Jumps I suppose my 'education is a bit lacking 
I think what you are saying is that, basically the Aircraft is on a 'ballistic' trajectory once it leaves the end of the ramp and, at less than one G it has a little time and air beneath it to accelerate through and beyond its stall AOA.
I think what you are saying is that, basically the Aircraft is on a 'ballistic' trajectory once it leaves the end of the ramp and, at less than one G it has a little time and air beneath it to accelerate through and beyond its stall AOA.
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Not to mention the Kirov class battlecruisers! 
File:Kirov-class battlecruiser.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I think you are all missing the point. They got it as a template, their going to start making cheap Chinese carriers, that way every nation can have one.
Lets see how they do on a pitch black night with a pitching deck..
Their version of a ski jump is so effective it doesn't appear necessary for their fighters to carry any payload at all
Their version of a ski jump is so effective it doesn't appear necessary for their fighters to carry any payload at all
The point that has been made several times already - they are re-building this carrier so that they can gain experience & train in the art and science of having aircraft carriers; is this a difficult concept to understand?
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I think it’s naïve, at best, to think this is simply a practice go at building a flat-top given the systems being fitted to it.
If, when, any sister ships are built then if they differ in design what’s the point in (re) building the Varig to a certain spec? If future ships are essentially the same then ‘Varig’ will have the same capabilities.
Face it, 'Varig' will be a fully capable, operational, carrier once a period of 'familiarisation' is complete.
No, I'm not a carrier expert, but I can use my eyes and use my brain.
If, when, any sister ships are built then if they differ in design what’s the point in (re) building the Varig to a certain spec? If future ships are essentially the same then ‘Varig’ will have the same capabilities.
Face it, 'Varig' will be a fully capable, operational, carrier once a period of 'familiarisation' is complete.
No, I'm not a carrier expert, but I can use my eyes and use my brain.
On the subject of ski jumps, when the deck is pitching in a higher sea state is any conscious effort made to time the take off so the aircraft leaves the ramp at a particular point in the pitching cycle?
So how much of the hull is original (laid down 1985, launched 1988), and what condition is it in, even after "refurbishment", given the chequered maintenance history since launch?
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After one false start,
They're almost ready to go by the looks of it!
China's first aircraft carrier sea trials soon - China.org.cn
They're almost ready to go by the looks of it!
China's first aircraft carrier sea trials soon - China.org.cn
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I was thinking that the other day.
The Chinese will have a lot of work to do if the contamination has spread tot he other subs / work areas.
The US got their Aircraft carrier well away from Japan to avoid contamination from fall out due to the amount of work off station that would have been required if it had been contaminated.
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The Chinese will have a lot of work to do if the contamination has spread tot he other subs / work areas.
The US got their Aircraft carrier well away from Japan to avoid contamination from fall out due to the amount of work off station that would have been required if it had been contaminated.
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About ski-jumps
I confess,
I'm a total noob when it comes to the art of carrier design issues but
I want to ask anyway.
Seeing how you guys discussed the usefulness of the skijump, isn't there also another big downfall comming from using such a launching aid.
There surely must be issues with disrupted airflow comming from such a hill
in front the ship.
Aren't carriers usually sailing in the wind at rather high speed (+25knts or so)
significantly contributing towards better takeoff performances (higher possible TOW) for its fighters ?
A large object like that must surely significantly negate that effect, no?
I'm a total noob when it comes to the art of carrier design issues but
I want to ask anyway.
Seeing how you guys discussed the usefulness of the skijump, isn't there also another big downfall comming from using such a launching aid.
There surely must be issues with disrupted airflow comming from such a hill
in front the ship.
Aren't carriers usually sailing in the wind at rather high speed (+25knts or so)
significantly contributing towards better takeoff performances (higher possible TOW) for its fighters ?
A large object like that must surely significantly negate that effect, no?
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But you take off from the top of the hill, not behind it.
Harrier ops are (were) timed to get an upwards throw from any deck movement. Folk lore had it that if you slammed as the bow went down through the horizon you wouldn't be far off. Folk lore was right most of the time.
Harrier ops are (were) timed to get an upwards throw from any deck movement. Folk lore had it that if you slammed as the bow went down through the horizon you wouldn't be far off. Folk lore was right most of the time.
Been meaning to look at this thread since it opened but only just got round to it. Just one question for the OP.
"Whoopass" - is that a Yorkshire expression?
Dont forget to turn the postcard vertically and write from bottom to top!
"Whoopass" - is that a Yorkshire expression?
But what will they name it? Answers on a post card......