Typhoon Pilots 'unfit for flying' Sent Home

[ADUX]

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Sqn 2IC should have had a word...and told to see the OC Sqn in the morning

err... umh... err

um quite. Well the 2IC should have had a word, shouldn't he?!

[Kreuger flap]

um quite. Well the 2IC should have had a word, shouldn't he?!

So the 2 i/c is going to tell the now ex boss of 11 Sqn to stop drinking as he might get pi**ed? Maybe he should have spoken to himself whilst he was at it.

Good example set to the troops there.

[Two's in]

Some of you miss the point that it was out of control the moment the Italian MP's picked them up, then it became an international incident - regardless of what their daytime jobs were. The fact that it was a couple of FJ mates just made it certain that someone would release the details to the press, and then it became the PR nightmare it is.

As mentioned before, very basic OPSEC would have ensured that someone remained sober or adult enough to get them back from whatever drinking den they were in, the fact that they didn't apparently consider this demonstrates they probably shouldn't have been out without a grown up in the first place.

/If you don't remember 'Sharkwatch' you shouldn't be out alone.

[Mr C Hinecap]

Of course an individual entrusted to fly any of HM's aircraft needs to be able to check his (or her) own six, but we fly in formation to look out for each other...not just because its fun. Same should apply on a night out.

You watch someones six if there is a fight brewing, a car about to run them down or a change of plan. It should not require a coordinated team effort for a grown up to not put themselves in the poo and be fit to do their job. This goes for the UK so it is the same for anywhere else in the world - or is the fact they were on ops in a nice place some sort of excuse? I'm pretty sure they would have given someone a good listening to if they had done the same thing in Lincoln. There isn't an excuse.

[Red_Phos]

I doubt very much they were found in the state The Sun talks about. HOWEVER drinking heavily within 24 hrs before flying surely must be seen as wrong and inexcusable by the Fast Jet world (similar to JHC rules no?).

Yes we all love a beer or two and YES its part in parcel with our culture. But there is a level of professionalism expected of every serving soldier/sailor/airman(woman)

In my mind it must of been briefed that (for once!) Typhoon was actually being deploy therefore the crews need to be whiter than white. Poor Squadron discipline if any of their crews thought it expectable to drink before flying.What was going through their minds as they ordered their 3rd/4th/5th round??!

Personally I think drinking on ops is wrong. The lads don't do it in PBs around Helmand (well ok not officially) why should people who get the benefit of living inside the wire be allowed? The guys and girls in the PBs handle live weapons solidly for 6 months hence no booze. Similar discipline should be imposed on us REMFs.

A very embarrassing situation for the whole det.

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

Not much of a team player are you Mr C

[muttywhitedog]

the now ex boss of 11 Sqn

I bet his Dining-Out speech will be an occasion to savour.

[racedo]

Write up in the Sun:

RAF Top Guns found in gutter at 6am | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys

Clearly they were seeking to meet politicians.

[Pontius Navigator]

Sadly years ago early resignation for the good of the Service was the done thing. An Air Cdre at Bawtry jumped and I don't think the press even got a wiff of it.

A wg cdr at Coningsby a few years ago also did a weekend departure and no coffee or dining-out.

[Romeo Oscar Golf]

Not much of a team player are you Mr C

If only he was aircrew then he could be crewed with redlineentry. They'd be very safe!

[ADUX]

so the 2 i/c is going to tell the now ex boss of 11 Sqn to stop drinking as he might get pi**ed? Maybe he should have spoken to himself whilst he was at it.

Good example set to the troops there.

err, i was trying to be a little more subtle and tongue in cheek. The press are still reporting '2 x Flt Lts'. no-one had yet mentioned the boss.

[500N]

"The press are still reporting '2 x Flt Lts'. no-one had yet mentioned the boss."

That will change now that you have posted it on here LOL


Which aviation forum were they quoting in the article ?

[Redcarpet]

If it was the boss, why should he be protected whilst the blame is laid firmly at the feet of the junta?

[Flap62]

Whilst it was being reported as "two Flt Lts" the damage to the military as a whole was limited. If it does turn out that one or both of the miscreants was of a higher rank it becomes more juicy and the press will circle more.

It's not a case of protecting the boss, it's a case of protecting the RAF as a whole.

[Mr C Hinecap]

Not much of a team player are you Mr C

Far more team orientated than you could ever imagine. However, I don't tolerate f***wits who can't hold their ale and seem to think that others should pick up the pieces for them.

[minigundiplomat]

Mr C,

Ive sat on both sides of the fence, including yours [specifically], and Ive seen idiots on both sides. Either you have led a very sheltered life, or you have a very short memory.
PM Me if you want to talk further, but please - no more moralising.

What they did was wrong, dead wrong. They arent the first and they wont be the last. But lets not all start overpopulating the high ground.

[OORah]

I think you'll find the Boss of XI is still the Boss of XI. Nice try though.

[barnstormer1968]

After reading:

Far more team orientated than you could ever imagine. However, I don't tolerate f***wits who can't hold their ale and seem to think that others should pick up the pieces for them.

While I accept that the poster may know both individuals personally and have knowledge of their academic status, as well as the EXACT reason they behaved they way they did (including emotional or stress issues), I still find some of the comments in this thread a little odd (bearing in mind we are talking of a business where our role is to kill other folks as part of our day job for some, and to polish chairs for others).

Coming from a green background, I was used to folks looking after each other's back as a matter of course....Not just on ops', where you may well be asking your mates to do something on an hourly basis which could result in them being blown to pieces or shot!

There seems to be a growing minority of folks in light blue who make it their business to have a 'can't do attitude'. This does give the RAF a bad name to other services, which IMHO is a shame, as the RAF still has many many top individuals serving in it.

I often wonder just how many PC 'heroes' would be so critical of their fellow service men/women, if they were stationed/posted to a forward base and could be told to do the next 'nasty' job as reward for their snideness to their COMRADES.

As per above, I may be wide of the mark here, but I can vouch that for my own part the taking of someones life (and ops in general) caused me more stress (and needed to be released in many ways) than writing things sat at a desk!

Sorry if that was a rant, but why do the light blue enjoy fighting each other so much?

[phil9560]

OK I'm sure I'll get some for this but here goes !

You shouldn't really be flying a heavily armed high performance aircraft after a fu@king skinful.

Any reasonanable arguments ?

I'm ducking now.

[Romeo Oscar Golf]

You shouldn't really be flying a heavily armed high performance aircraft after a fu@king skinful

No professional would disagree, and I would add any aircraft/car/horse or pushbike to that.
However these guys were not flying.

why do the light blue enjoy fighting each other so much?

It would appear that the RAF( or maybe just this forum) have a significant minority of people more suited for work in Health and Safety than a fighting force. It's hard to have any empathy with them.