Typhoon v Merlin?
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: preston
Age: 76
Posts: 376
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There were a few one on one F4 v Hind in the Iran Iraq war. Most resulted in a draw with both aircraft unscathed. The one confirmed kill went to the Hind.
Gun kill I believe.
Gun kill I believe.
Dalek,
Most likely a guns kill, though the Iraqis claim it was shot down by a Sagger ATGM and the Russians supposedly gave an award to the crew for doing so!
Affil has been going on aalmost since RW were invented; the Luftwaffe in WW2 were the first to try it pitting a Flettner 282 against a Me109 and FW190. The results are valid today; if flown well at low level a RW is very difficult to acquire, track and shoot. The very nature of the RW role means that they spend much of the time in ground clutter (both RF and IR) and most western helos are equipped with a comprehensive DAS. I can attest to how difficult a RW is to find by having lost count of the amount of times I've had to guide a FJ onto me for me to get to the merge - radar and non-radar equipped. Modern radars are harder to beat, but not impossible. Re the LGB issue - I spent an excellent afternoon fighting a pair of F15Es once, who finally "splashed" me with a 2000lb PW. The reason? I'd trashed every AMRAAM/9L shot and defeated every attempt at guns....so it was all they notionally had left.
Most likely a guns kill, though the Iraqis claim it was shot down by a Sagger ATGM and the Russians supposedly gave an award to the crew for doing so!
Affil has been going on aalmost since RW were invented; the Luftwaffe in WW2 were the first to try it pitting a Flettner 282 against a Me109 and FW190. The results are valid today; if flown well at low level a RW is very difficult to acquire, track and shoot. The very nature of the RW role means that they spend much of the time in ground clutter (both RF and IR) and most western helos are equipped with a comprehensive DAS. I can attest to how difficult a RW is to find by having lost count of the amount of times I've had to guide a FJ onto me for me to get to the merge - radar and non-radar equipped. Modern radars are harder to beat, but not impossible. Re the LGB issue - I spent an excellent afternoon fighting a pair of F15Es once, who finally "splashed" me with a 2000lb PW. The reason? I'd trashed every AMRAAM/9L shot and defeated every attempt at guns....so it was all they notionally had left.
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Home
Posts: 3,399
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Certainly it is very very difficult to aquire a helicopter visually. I've momentarily lost sight of the guy I'm notionally in tac form with many times! Trying to find one against the ground at high speed, let alone for a supersonic pass as suggested earlier must be very tricky.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
engineer, you mean like dogs b*ll*cks?
We used to get a good lock on the F4 Speys.
We used to get a good lock on the F4 Speys.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Farm strip on the Fens in South Lincs
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks for all the interesting info posted on here since I started this thread.
Just one question I'd like to ask of those who are in the know on the subject.
My strip is regularly overflown by military helos mainly Chinooks, Merlins and Apaches and I've often wondered what permissions are required for any UK military helo to touch down on my property as part of a training exercise.
It strikes me that with more unusual locations to utilise during an exercise, the better the experience gained.
Just a thought!
Just one question I'd like to ask of those who are in the know on the subject.
My strip is regularly overflown by military helos mainly Chinooks, Merlins and Apaches and I've often wondered what permissions are required for any UK military helo to touch down on my property as part of a training exercise.
It strikes me that with more unusual locations to utilise during an exercise, the better the experience gained.
Just a thought!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 868
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
rogcal,
It really depends on where your 'strip' is. If you are within a Low Flying Area then that's a good start. If you have mil helis overflying at low level then there is a safe bet you are.
It may be a case of finding out which is the nearest helicopter station/base to where you are and giving the Media and Comms Officer(MCO) or Public Relations Officer (PRO) a call to discuss your offer. Most contacts are available on the www.
New locations for training are always good to find (although your neighbours may have something to say about it!) but it will require a proper recce before anything is agreed to.
It really depends on where your 'strip' is. If you are within a Low Flying Area then that's a good start. If you have mil helis overflying at low level then there is a safe bet you are.
It may be a case of finding out which is the nearest helicopter station/base to where you are and giving the Media and Comms Officer(MCO) or Public Relations Officer (PRO) a call to discuss your offer. Most contacts are available on the www.
New locations for training are always good to find (although your neighbours may have something to say about it!) but it will require a proper recce before anything is agreed to.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Farm strip on the Fens in South Lincs
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks Wizard. No bases within the local area but still plenty of helo activity at low level so must assume in transit or temporarily based locally while on exercise.
No problems with neighbours whatsoever and the only livestock (a few cattle and goats) are immune from aircraft noise (Virgin balloons are another thing though) due to the frequent passage of low level traffic.
No problems with neighbours whatsoever and the only livestock (a few cattle and goats) are immune from aircraft noise (Virgin balloons are another thing though) due to the frequent passage of low level traffic.
I've momentarily lost sight of the guy I'm notionally in tac form with many times!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Farm strip on the Fens in South Lincs
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
That's because in your jiggly little helicopter your eyeballs are bouncing around like pingpong balls in a coconut. You would be able to see accurately if you flew a proper plane.
From my experience on two occasions, lose a bit of your prop on a single engine aircraft and everything in and attached to the human body bounces around like a pingpong ball in a coconut!
Can't speak of the experience of body bits vibrating when in a helo as I've never been tempted to enter one despite numerous offers over the years.
Could be something to do with the fact that I like my wings to be fixed to the fuselage and not whizzing around above my head and plus the fact that rotor blades are a lifed component and most wings aren't!
Rogcal, all a military helicopter needs to land at a place is the land owner's permission and to notify the local police. Of course they would need to be authorised at their station but that shouldn't be a problem as long as the authoriser is satisfied that there is training value and that permissions are in place. Both RAF helicopter stations in the south have a list of fields that can be used regularly. Give their station ops officers a bell and offer your field up for use.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Borderline England
Posts: 211
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Another way to go is contact AIDU and have your site offered up to the Minor Aerodromes directory, likewise contact Pooleys and have it in their flight guide. The latter will probably attract all kinds of suitable civilian traffic though.
