Typhoon v Merlin?
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Thing is fighter affil is totally canned hence it's not even close to a true representation of what's likely to happen. If I am to believe what was said the FJ guys have no interest on the outbound leg as their payload has a much more important need as part of the overall mission.
On the way home as a target of opportunity then what the heck and there is a better than even chance the poor old rotary asset will have no idea of the trouble that is coming it's way.
Fighter affil always was and no doubt still is nowt but pilots playtime and is about as much use as a chocolate teapot
On the way home as a target of opportunity then what the heck and there is a better than even chance the poor old rotary asset will have no idea of the trouble that is coming it's way.
Fighter affil always was and no doubt still is nowt but pilots playtime and is about as much use as a chocolate teapot
I do believe Moggie's 2 air to air kills against helicopters was a manoeuvre kill on a Puma, and a guns kill on an A-109 which was just touching down.
A Pucara did down a Scout AH1 during the battle of Goose Green, The pilot of the Scout was killed (I think the crewman was badly injuried). Pucara pilot that got the Scout scored the only Argie air to air kill of the war, though the pilot didn't live paint the kill on the aircraft as he crashed in bad weather on his way back to Stanley.
F-15E did score an LGB kill on a Iraqi Helicopter (Bo-105) in the hover, and a couple of Iraqi Mil-8s met a stream of 30mm from the GAU-8 on a couple of A-10s during the 91 Gulf war.
A Pucara did down a Scout AH1 during the battle of Goose Green, The pilot of the Scout was killed (I think the crewman was badly injuried). Pucara pilot that got the Scout scored the only Argie air to air kill of the war, though the pilot didn't live paint the kill on the aircraft as he crashed in bad weather on his way back to Stanley.
F-15E did score an LGB kill on a Iraqi Helicopter (Bo-105) in the hover, and a couple of Iraqi Mil-8s met a stream of 30mm from the GAU-8 on a couple of A-10s during the 91 Gulf war.
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Thanks for that MAINJAFAD
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I have heard this "helicopters not that important" thing before, but it is just silly surely. Rotary assets are one of the most important assets around, and just as expensive as anything else nowadays. The idea that you won't waste time on an Apache or pair of SF chinooks seems ludicrous. First day planned strike maybe, but once the reactive battle starts, I would say rotary is very high value.
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I have heard this "helicopters not that important" thing before, but it is just silly surely. Rotary assets are one of the most important assets around, and just as expensive as anything else nowadays. The idea that you won't waste time on an Apache or pair of SF chinooks seems ludicrous. First day planned strike maybe, but once the reactive battle starts, I would say rotary is very high value.
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Tourist - sorry, can't answer that
I have read on another forum an Iranian guy claiming that the Iranian Cobras managed to take out five MIG-21, but I've not found any other confirmation so far
I have read on another forum an Iranian guy claiming that the Iranian Cobras managed to take out five MIG-21, but I've not found any other confirmation so far
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Thanks for that MAINJAFAD
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I have heard this "helicopters not that important" thing before, but it is just silly surely. Rotary assets are one of the most important assets around, and just as expensive as anything else nowadays. The idea that you won't waste time on an Apache or pair of SF chinooks seems ludicrous. First day planned strike maybe, but once the reactive battle starts, I would say rotary is very high value.
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I have heard this "helicopters not that important" thing before, but it is just silly surely. Rotary assets are one of the most important assets around, and just as expensive as anything else nowadays. The idea that you won't waste time on an Apache or pair of SF chinooks seems ludicrous. First day planned strike maybe, but once the reactive battle starts, I would say rotary is very high value.
Other Ops may well say any target gets it but it will always come down to the ROE etc on the day
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A Bucc crew took out a Cub taxying in GW1. IIRC they slipped the bomb into the crew bunk area behind the cockpit and in front of the freight bay.
As for debris hemisphere: A 1000lb bomb will give a 90% Pk at 700 feet and a 10% PK at about 1400 feet. At 3400 feet the PK drops to 1%. If IIRC these figures are from the NEAF Range Orders circa 1960.
As the target would not know the bomb was on its way it would probably fly into the debris zone if the bomb was aimed correctly.
As for debris hemisphere: A 1000lb bomb will give a 90% Pk at 700 feet and a 10% PK at about 1400 feet. At 3400 feet the PK drops to 1%. If IIRC these figures are from the NEAF Range Orders circa 1960.
As the target would not know the bomb was on its way it would probably fly into the debris zone if the bomb was aimed correctly.
Well this thread expains why I saw a couple of Apaches landing ouside my office on an airfield in the Southern Lincolnshire fens this morning, plus a number of other green Helo movements in and out of said airfield during the month.
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I would hope in my modern western deployable helicopter that my DAS would sort out the AIM-9 and I would get warning of an approaching radar giving me time to start evading.
I think there needs to be a large scale trial involving all the SK6 sitting at Sultan (they still there?) and a bunch of retired Gazelles
Fit the SK7 DAS and some remote HD camera gubbins, Radio control them around northern scotland and everyone gets to have a go using their best technique,
Invite the yanks to pay for it.
Argue the toss in the bar later.
Who's in?
I think there needs to be a large scale trial involving all the SK6 sitting at Sultan (they still there?) and a bunch of retired Gazelles
Fit the SK7 DAS and some remote HD camera gubbins, Radio control them around northern scotland and everyone gets to have a go using their best technique,
Invite the yanks to pay for it.
Argue the toss in the bar later.
Who's in?
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Well whether it is good training or not, it is fun. One of my memorable trips was burning through about three months of fatigue life in a sortie in the FI with our own tanker vs the chinook. A total blast by both crews and much banter in the bar after.
USAF F-15 shot down a US Army UH-60 in Iraq....should have had the courage to shoot himself in the head afterwards! Trigger happy Fighter Pilot!
On 10th August 1979 the Rhodesian forces were conducting an operation against insurgent forces in Botswana. During the extraction process for the ground troops a BN Defender of the Botswana Defence Forces showed up. A Rhodesian Air Force Alouette III helicopter forced the Defender down by damaging it with using it's single 20mm cannon. 
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I think there needs to be a large scale trial involving all the SK6 sitting at Sultan (they still there?) and a bunch of retired Gazelles
Fit the SK7 DAS and some remote HD camera gubbins, Radio control them around northern scotland and everyone gets to have a go using their best technique,
Invite the yanks to pay for it.
Argue the toss in the bar later.
Who's in?
Fit the SK7 DAS and some remote HD camera gubbins, Radio control them around northern scotland and everyone gets to have a go using their best technique,
Invite the yanks to pay for it.
Argue the toss in the bar later.
Who's in?
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Many years ago near Kelso, I witnessed an F3 and a Chinook doing their thing. I got the impression it was difficult for the F3 to nail the Chinook, but it was great to see two aircraft being flung about the sky like that.
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Played with Hawk boys on more than one occasion and it's not the one you are avoiding that gets you, it's his mate who spoils your day
As Seldomfit mentions, it's a very different game for a singleton v helo. Almsot impossible to get in unseen unless you use same tactic as against Herc and drop in from way up high but then you're faced with difficult shot solution.
Difficult to get guns shot on ultra low level target when dopping down with nose low attitude and difficult to get winder shot as blades do a very effective job of mixing exhaust with cold ambient air.
Difficult to get guns shot on ultra low level target when dopping down with nose low attitude and difficult to get winder shot as blades do a very effective job of mixing exhaust with cold ambient air.