Fast Jet Circuits
A WIWOL once told that.....
Lightning break speed anywhere between 400 and 600ish knots, depending upon how one felt........
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I'm surprised that the alternative methodology, as recommended by a chap in khaki I think, has not been described to date. There is a rather famous historic occasion (somebody is bound to correct me about the actual callsigns) when a certain formation leader lost interest in going all the way around to the IP.
Abeam the airfield, the RT went something like this:
"XXXX Tower, Maple Hipshot with 4, joining downwind. (Slight pause) Hipshots, spread out."
He retarded the thrust lever at that point.
Rumour has it (this a rumour network) that it took quite a long time to get all the jets on the ground, thus proving that initial and pitch is far more efficient.
Gru
PS. Why is the #2 in 86 so far out of position?
Abeam the airfield, the RT went something like this:
"XXXX Tower, Maple Hipshot with 4, joining downwind. (Slight pause) Hipshots, spread out."
He retarded the thrust lever at that point.
Rumour has it (this a rumour network) that it took quite a long time to get all the jets on the ground, thus proving that initial and pitch is far more efficient.
Gru
PS. Why is the #2 in 86 so far out of position?
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Crikey, I thought it was all done with models.
Yeah yeah, I know, sorry 'bout that!
Gru
PS. Shouldn't the ABs - er sorry, reheat - be visible by now? After all, you're about commence a climb.
Yeah yeah, I know, sorry 'bout that!
Gru
PS. Shouldn't the ABs - er sorry, reheat - be visible by now? After all, you're about commence a climb.
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quote (sorry, don't know how to do the blue thing):
NR,
Can you explain why the RAAF SOP at Butterworth in the 1960s was for the Sabre Squadrons to break into the circuit (or perhaps pitch into the closed pattern) DOWNWARDS from 1500' to make 1000' downwind? It seemed to me to be a strange manoeuvre I'd never seen anywhere else.
Well, the 1500' was to avoid ground fire, and the break was at 80 deg bank to stay within the airfield boundary (same reason), and it's bluddy hard to keep the Sword's nose up at 80 deg, so it just happened.
Actually, I would be very surprised if that was the SOP - but then I was only there for 3 weeks in the 60s. Will somebody tell us, please?
Gru
NR,
Can you explain why the RAAF SOP at Butterworth in the 1960s was for the Sabre Squadrons to break into the circuit (or perhaps pitch into the closed pattern) DOWNWARDS from 1500' to make 1000' downwind? It seemed to me to be a strange manoeuvre I'd never seen anywhere else.
Well, the 1500' was to avoid ground fire, and the break was at 80 deg bank to stay within the airfield boundary (same reason), and it's bluddy hard to keep the Sword's nose up at 80 deg, so it just happened.
Actually, I would be very surprised if that was the SOP - but then I was only there for 3 weeks in the 60s. Will somebody tell us, please?
Gru
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"It probably is like a helo gate approach but if it's a nominal 5 miles out it probably takes only 40 secs in a FJ compared to one-two hours in a helo."
"But when you bang out, 20 miles out, you'll shout for rotary......"
HG
"But when you bang out, 20 miles out, you'll shout for rotary......"
HG