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Stealth UH60(?) used in OBL raid...

Old 5th May 2011, 18:19
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Not near a TV but just got a Msge that on ITV news , the U.S have finally admitted it was a never before seen 'Stealth Heli'. (No [email protected]&t Sherlock!)
Can't find the statement on the net yet??

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Old 5th May 2011, 18:32
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Not in any way denigrating the Hawk and it's variants. I have time on 2 of them myself, though not the utility versions. Fantastic bit of kit, we should have bought them years age for the RN and RAF.

Re the "Yes the Hawk can carry 26-29 fully equipped", maybe, I'll take your word for it, but the Hawk variant in this case is likely to be more PaveHawk than Blackhawk. Go look up the difference in empty weight. No 25 POB in that beastie.




On further investigation, I call bulls1t on your 26-29 fully equipped in Iraq/Afghan
No way no day, unless you mean SF running around kit only, and even then......

That is the sort of thing done to get out of a nasty situation, not on the way to the action, except for crazy ops like the Seaking into Argentina 1000s of Lbs over max weight.

"Some of ya'll need to put down the Checklists, SOP's, CFS mentality....and accept reality exists and life begins outside the box you build for yourselves with all the artificial constraints you find so comfortable. "

Since you have no idea of the background of various on here, that is a bit of a strong statement, don't you think?

Silly point anyway, because you don't for a minute think that they only sent 2 helicopters for 40+ troops whilst expecting to pick up extras, do you?
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Coverage on US ABC News worth a look...

SEALs Used Secret Stealth Helicopter Video - ABC News

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Old 5th May 2011, 19:05
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More interesting is the report that "lights and phones went out" right before the raid and "came back on" shortly afterwards.

News guy insinuates that this is evidence of a cyber attack on local phone and power grids. Hmmm, food for thought.

Also of interest was this comment: stuff collected and bundled off to points unknown, possibly for sale to Chinese ... who are trying to develop stealth aircraft and helicopters and missiles. Is this potential tech transfer an unexpected oops from this mission, if the above is true?

Hmm, further food for thought.
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Old 5th May 2011, 21:45
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I think that the tail unit is a fibreglass replica set up to deceive....

Great job by all....
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Old 5th May 2011, 21:45
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The raiders scrambled aboard the remaining Black Hawk and a Chinook, bin Ladenís body with them, and flew to the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson in the North Arabian Sea.
Mere hours after the operation, before most of the world knew bin Laden was found and killed, his body was buried at sea.
Oh really??? The nearest point of the Arabian Sea is actually about 650 nautical miles away (in a straight line, thru PAKISTANI airspace!) from the compound.
So, what I would like to know is, how did they manage to get the body there, and have it under the water, by the time Obama announced it on TV just hours later?!
And how did they get the DNA, photograph him, wash him, dress him etc., all within the same timescale!
Not that i dont believe the Americans for one minute...
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Old 5th May 2011, 21:51
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I just wish the US had got the facts sorted out before they all sprouted off.
It was a great result look as bad as the Pakistanis.

Anyway, the body is now located in Area 51.
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Old 5th May 2011, 22:23
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As someone with expertise in DNA technology (PhD Applied Molecular Biology) you might be surprised to know that running a DNA test to verify his identity need only take a few hours. This could be done in a small lab, which could be mobile/containerised, using a technique such as Y-linked short tandem repeat PCR amplification and analysis.

The most important issues for DNA testing are the have fresh, uncontaminated, and non-degraded samples (no problem in this case), and suitable samples for comparison with.

From what I understand the DNA comparison was made with DNA from his sister, who died in a US hospital, with additional secondary verification using morphological features (height), in combination with facial recognition technology. One would expect the CIA/U.S. military to be well versed in all these techniques

Can't explain the claimed transit time to the carrier though

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Old 5th May 2011, 22:31
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I think the claimed time overall was eleven hours.
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Old 5th May 2011, 22:45
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More interesting is the report that "lights and phones went out" right before the raid and "came back on" shortly afterwards.
...and when I first heard about this, I wondered how that local was able to "tweet" the raid live.
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Old 5th May 2011, 23:13
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US officials state that bin ladens body was taken to Afghanistan. His body was flown out to the carrier probably by a C-2 Greyhound? (Unless he took a back seat ride in a two-seat F/A-18 Hornet?). It was also reported on the news this morning that his son killed in the raid was also buried at sea.

News reports highlighting bin laden being taken to Afghanistan.

BBC News - Osama Bin Laden: What happened to his body?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/wo...bin-laden.html

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Old 6th May 2011, 00:11
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I think we've all missed the obvious conclusion that if a stealth blackhawk was involved - then there were probably stealth chinooks in there as well
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Old 6th May 2011, 00:12
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one hawk would not be able to carry much more than 11 troops with gear, ammo for the miniguns, fuel, etc especially in hot weather not just because of the space limitations but the power and lift reduction with a temperature spike, and altitude (not sure if that was a factor.) the tail rotor is different on this, so the main rotor would almost certainly be different. if that were true it may have more powerful engines and so on, they could have sling-loaded the downed bird with a chinook or maybe even the hyper-stealth-steroid-hawk either way they likely had a multi-ship trail party to clean up or some sort of plan B../

Other thoughts* if the tailcone is primarily composite, and it was punctured by gunfire, rpg, or a wall the opposing gyroscopic forces of the tail rotor, tail rotor driveshaft, and tailcone driveshafts could tear the whole thing off.. but the pic on reuters of inside the compound show exploded parts of a helicopter burnt (like composites do.) so who knows.

food for thought.. stealth coating on the windows was a topic in another thread i forget which.. but, unpiloted helicopter?
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Old 6th May 2011, 01:07
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Hugely amazed by the people on here giving credence to such a fake load of bolleaux.

The frisbee is clearlt a load of crap. Not dirty, bent, and it could have been photographed anywhere.

total non-story getting a huge amount of bites! (Including me now...)
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If you are so convinced it is a bite, care to put your money where your mouth is?

What forfeit are you willing to risk if we subsequently discover it to be true.
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Old 6th May 2011, 08:50
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I'll apologise and have to eat some humble pie I suppose, chap. Other than that, I won't be going to great efforts to show it's a fake - it's just my 2p, if that's ok?
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Old 6th May 2011, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Windsor
a fake load of bolleaux.

The frisbee is clearlt a load of crap.
- I reckon that's a bit more than 2p!
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Old 6th May 2011, 10:48
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Oh really??? The nearest point of the Arabian Sea is actually about 650 nautical miles away (in a straight line, thru PAKISTANI airspace!) from the compound.
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One of the spotter forums draws attention to this alleged 'secret US base' inside Pakistan

Point A on the map

Tarbela Dam Airport - Google Maps
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Old 6th May 2011, 12:05
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Cool Tarbela Dam Airport

Very interesting aircraft on apron on Google Earth !

Or am I imagining things ......
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AH/MH-6 Littlebird.
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