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Stealth UH60(?) used in OBL raid...

Old 3rd May 2021, 11:21
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post
Decade on and we are still none the wiser ...best kept secret since the F-117A,

https://theaviationist.com/2021/05/0...new-rendering/


Not even a reverse engineered Chinese copy.
I still say it was a red herring to let Pakistan off the hook for allowing the raid to go ahead.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 11:39
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All we know is this tail part was left.
https://images.app.goo.gl/g8r7DyFDqVcgixRZ6

I never got why the rest of the aircraft should be so close to some pretty standard Blackhawk? If it is intended to be stealthy wouldn't the entire airframe need to be designed in some more radical way?
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Old 3rd May 2021, 16:07
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
Not even a reverse engineered Chinese copy.
I still say it was a red herring to let Pakistan off the hook for allowing the raid to go ahead.
Do you have anything beyond your opinion to back this?
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Old 3rd May 2021, 17:12
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post
Decade on and we are still none the wiser ...best kept secret since the F-117A,

https://theaviationist.com/2021/05/0...new-rendering/


It's a good probability that they've been buried in the desert by now and replaced with something else.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 21:50
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
I still say it was a red herring to let Pakistan off the hook for allowing the raid to go ahead.
I don't think so. I have a friend who saw two of them in a hangar in Afghanistan in the hours leading up the mission.
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Old 31st May 2021, 07:54
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China’s take

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...FA8xOWWB3YN4b8



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Old 11th Sep 2021, 19:10
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Some details of the stealthy Black Hawks from a new programme on Sky History channel.

Title:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14574560/

Revealed: The Hunt for Bin Laden

Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL.

"As the briefs went through the chain of command there was a sensitivity expressed on exposure to radars and discovery of the helicopters as the force was infiltrating. That shifted the conversation to using the Black Hawks that had some of the capabilities to defeat radar."


Command Master Chief, US Navy SEAL Team Six

"Very early on when we got out and saw them fly they were unstable, particularly when they came into hover and I said with all due respect I don't think that we should use these helicopters. The time to try something new is not on the most important raid arguably since WW2."


Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL.

"Another one of the factors that we had to take into account was that the aircrews flying the Black Hawks had been separate programme and didn't have a lot of time flying overseas."


Admiral McCraven, Commander Joint Special Operations Command

"..... those particular crews had been taken out of the fight for quite a while and really had just been part of research."



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Old 13th Sep 2021, 07:49
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Do you have anything beyond your opinion to back this?
Absolutely not.
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 10:25
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Absolutely not.


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Old 13th Sep 2021, 16:34
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
Some details of the stealthy Black Hawks from a new programme on Sky History channel.

Title:


Revealed: The Hunt for Bin Laden

Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL.

"As the briefs went through the chain of command there was a sensitivity expressed on exposure to radars and discovery of the helicopters as the force was infiltrating. That shifted the conversation to using the Black Hawks that had some of the capabilities to defeat radar."


Command Master Chief, US Navy SEAL Team Six

"Very early on when we got out and saw them fly they were unstable, particularly when they came into hover and I said with all due respect I don't think that we should use these helicopters. The time to try something new is not on the most important raid arguably since WW2."


Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL.

"Another one of the factors that we had to take into account was that the aircrews flying the Black Hawks had been separate programme and didn't have a lot of time flying overseas."


Admiral McCraven, Commander Joint Special Operations Command

"..... those particular crews had been taken out of the fight for quite a while and really had just been part of research."
Sounds like some of the lessons from Eagle Claw which I just re-read were weighed and considered as acceptable risk, or forgotten. Two of the six or so major lessons from Eagle Claw were not to use helicopter crews that had not been part of, or well integrated, into the team beforehand, and not be overly complex.... Guess stealth/surprise was deemed more important than some lessons. Salute to the folks that carried it out.
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 18:02
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
Absolutely not.
And any hard evidence to demolish Tashengurt's Occam's razor assessment? ( and mine from 2011 incidentally)
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