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Could they potentially offer a Northern base?
YS
Champagne anyone...?
Northern base. Lol.
Most of the recruiting is onto the minibus at LHR however many of the military guys I know who have got in the recent rounds have gone to the 747 and 787. Do your research folks 👍🏻
Most of the recruiting is onto the minibus at LHR however many of the military guys I know who have got in the recent rounds have gone to the 747 and 787. Do your research folks 👍🏻
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Were those recent ex-Mil who went 747/787 Fast Jet or ME guys and girls?
My understanding is FJ tend to go A320 for "around 5 years" before the offer of LH is made. Clearly there are exceptions.
Were those recent ex-Mil who went 747/787 Fast Jet or ME guys and girls?
My understanding is FJ tend to go A320 for "around 5 years" before the offer of LH is made. Clearly there are exceptions.
Most recent joiner was ex-FJ and is starting his line training on the A320 about now. Most ex-FJ seem to go to the Airbus for probably at least 6 years as it currently stands.
Champagne anyone...?
They were all truckies who, I guess, qualify for ZFT. Base training on a 747 is a bit pricey and with enough ZFT qualified people around BA can get them online without having to circuit bash in a 747.
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Recruitment onto the 74/78 has been more due to a f**k up in the numbers and to make the training system cope better rather than any logical reason!! As most of the flight managers sorting it out are ex RAF, you won't be surprised to learn it all trundles along in the same disjointed way...... 
There are no bases other than LHR and LGW and under the current regime, probably won't be any others (except perhaps a Madrid low cost base - cynic? Moi?).
There are no bases other than LHR and LGW and under the current regime, probably won't be any others (except perhaps a Madrid low cost base - cynic? Moi?).
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...wot Thunderbird/Yellow Sun et. al. have said...everything .... including the comment about northern bases, you will be working out of LHR/LGW.
As an ex FJ BA DEP from a long long time ago may I offer the following observations in the interests of "managing expectations"...
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Your previous experience may determine the initial type you are offered when you join , usually due to ZFT requirements.
From that point on forget being "offered" anything, as in: "you've been in 5 years, we've looked at your records, you've an excellent background and training record, several Spec Recs.
.would you like to go to Long Haul"? ....BA doesn't work like that, it works something like this (apologies for teaching sucking eggs, etc, if it applies):
Fundamentally once you are "in" your FJ/Helicopter/Multi background will almost certainly mean f. all...you're now just a number on the master seniority list.
You can plan on being frozen on type for the first 5 years, unless the company needs to move you to a fleet of their choice. After freeze expiry you get an annual bid, where you have the opportunity to submit a bid for a seat/type change. The number of seats available to bid for is a function of the company's requirements for the forthcoming year. Most importantly, the bid is almost always based on seniority, which is determined solely by date of joining, though there have been exceptions, e.g. to the A380 where until recently previous Airbus experience was required.
Please, please, don't join BA on the A320 in the expectation that in five years time you will automatically be "offered" a slot on a long haul type...you'll be in the bidding queue for long haul seats behind the DEPs and the bright young early twenties FPPs who are joining today.
As a FWIW and IMHO, my idiot's guide to the fleets just in case you do get a choice on joining:
Join on the 787 and the world is your lobster (if you want longhaul).
777 best fleet of the lot IMHO but AFAIK not on offer...
Join on the 747 and you'll possibly be able to engineer being long haul for a long time/forever - as long as there isn't a sudden run down of the fleet.
Join on the 767 and who knows where you'll be in 5 years (shrinking fleet).
Join on the A320 and you'll be based LHR/LGW and probably be on shorthaul for X years, where X >=5 ( and to be honest could be >>>>5)
Hope that helps and good luck.
...wot Thunderbird/Yellow Sun et. al. have said...everything .... including the comment about northern bases, you will be working out of LHR/LGW.
My understanding is FJ tend to go A320 for "around 5 years" before the offer of LH is made. Clearly there are exceptions.
:Your previous experience may determine the initial type you are offered when you join , usually due to ZFT requirements.
From that point on forget being "offered" anything, as in: "you've been in 5 years, we've looked at your records, you've an excellent background and training record, several Spec Recs.
.would you like to go to Long Haul"? ....BA doesn't work like that, it works something like this (apologies for teaching sucking eggs, etc, if it applies):Fundamentally once you are "in" your FJ/Helicopter/Multi background will almost certainly mean f. all...you're now just a number on the master seniority list.
You can plan on being frozen on type for the first 5 years, unless the company needs to move you to a fleet of their choice. After freeze expiry you get an annual bid, where you have the opportunity to submit a bid for a seat/type change. The number of seats available to bid for is a function of the company's requirements for the forthcoming year. Most importantly, the bid is almost always based on seniority, which is determined solely by date of joining, though there have been exceptions, e.g. to the A380 where until recently previous Airbus experience was required.
Please, please, don't join BA on the A320 in the expectation that in five years time you will automatically be "offered" a slot on a long haul type...you'll be in the bidding queue for long haul seats behind the DEPs and the bright young early twenties FPPs who are joining today.
As a FWIW and IMHO, my idiot's guide to the fleets just in case you do get a choice on joining:
Join on the 787 and the world is your lobster (if you want longhaul).
777 best fleet of the lot IMHO but AFAIK not on offer...
Join on the 747 and you'll possibly be able to engineer being long haul for a long time/forever - as long as there isn't a sudden run down of the fleet.
Join on the 767 and who knows where you'll be in 5 years (shrinking fleet).
Join on the A320 and you'll be based LHR/LGW and probably be on shorthaul for X years, where X >=5 ( and to be honest could be >>>>5)
Hope that helps and good luck.
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That's good to hear,
Excuse my lack of knowledge on this but would it be something that is tailored to the individual almost? For example, an ex-multi guy will require far less retraining than an ex rotary/FJ jockey.
Excuse my lack of knowledge on this but would it be something that is tailored to the individual almost? For example, an ex-multi guy will require far less retraining than an ex rotary/FJ jockey.
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You might think that, but no. The training is the same, as are the line training sectors. Traditionally the rotary find it no more difficult. As an aside, I found the Airbus easier to fly if you thought of the side stick as a Cyclic. It needs the same techniques as a helicopter rather than fixed wing to fly it smoothly.
p.s. Obviously the "rotary" chap will by the point he starts training with BA have his CPL (A) IR so will technically not be just rotary anymore.
p.s. Obviously the "rotary" chap will by the point he starts training with BA have his CPL (A) IR so will technically not be just rotary anymore.
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Thats three months terminal leave taken up then!
The website doesn't list the prerequisites and quals for the managed path, could you shed any light on these? (Granted CPL(A) IR is reqd)
The website doesn't list the prerequisites and quals for the managed path, could you shed any light on these? (Granted CPL(A) IR is reqd)
Hi CE
I'm not BA but another company that have recruited lots of ex mil and there's an aspect that I don't believe that anyone has mentioned and that is the concept of Zero Flight Time (ZFT) training. To qualify for ZFT one needs a number of hours on a "heavy"jet. I can't remember the exact number maybe 1000 hours on a jet say 25 tonnes. This allows the trainee to then be trained on a ZFT compatible sim which means that the "circuit bashing" is done on the sim and not the a/c which saves thousands.
I fly with a lot of ex mil who either flew multis so had the heavy time or had a period perhaps flying short haul so they qualified for ZFT. The point I'm making is that the actual course is probably the same whether you are ex Typhoon, Wokka or C17. The benefit to the airline is that the ZFT allows the trainee to bypass the base training in the real aircraft. If you join BA I imagine the course you undertake will be the same except you will need to go off and fly an hour(ish) of circuits to have the type put on your licence. I'm sure you're realising now in the civvy world it's all about money! Hope that helps and good luck.
Regards
BBK
I'm not BA but another company that have recruited lots of ex mil and there's an aspect that I don't believe that anyone has mentioned and that is the concept of Zero Flight Time (ZFT) training. To qualify for ZFT one needs a number of hours on a "heavy"jet. I can't remember the exact number maybe 1000 hours on a jet say 25 tonnes. This allows the trainee to then be trained on a ZFT compatible sim which means that the "circuit bashing" is done on the sim and not the a/c which saves thousands.
I fly with a lot of ex mil who either flew multis so had the heavy time or had a period perhaps flying short haul so they qualified for ZFT. The point I'm making is that the actual course is probably the same whether you are ex Typhoon, Wokka or C17. The benefit to the airline is that the ZFT allows the trainee to bypass the base training in the real aircraft. If you join BA I imagine the course you undertake will be the same except you will need to go off and fly an hour(ish) of circuits to have the type put on your licence. I'm sure you're realising now in the civvy world it's all about money! Hope that helps and good luck.
Regards
BBK
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BBK,
Hi there and thanks for the heads up, I wasn't aware of the ZFT concept. Being a twin engined wokka man, I wonder if I'd fit into that bracket?
I shall pose the question to the BA stand at the Leeds Armouries today!
CE
Hi there and thanks for the heads up, I wasn't aware of the ZFT concept. Being a twin engined wokka man, I wonder if I'd fit into that bracket?
I shall pose the question to the BA stand at the Leeds Armouries today!
CE
To qualify for ZFT one needs a number of hours on a "heavy"jet. I can't remember the exact number maybe 1000 hours on a jet say 25 tonnes.
May have changed of course so worth asking the question.
The Aircrew Regulation requirement for ZFTT is as follows:
It is possible that airlines may impose further restrictions on their ZFTT applicants.
FCL.730.A Specific requirements for pilots undertaking a zero flight time type rating (ZFTT) course — aeroplanes
(a) A pilot undertaking instruction at a ZFTT course shall have completed, on a multi-pilot turbo-jet aeroplane certificated to the standards of CS-25 or equivalent airworthiness code or on a multi-pilot turbo-prop aeroplane having a maximum certificated take-off mass of not less than 10 tonnes or a certificated passenger seating configuration of more than 19 passengers, at least:
(a) A pilot undertaking instruction at a ZFTT course shall have completed, on a multi-pilot turbo-jet aeroplane certificated to the standards of CS-25 or equivalent airworthiness code or on a multi-pilot turbo-prop aeroplane having a maximum certificated take-off mass of not less than 10 tonnes or a certificated passenger seating configuration of more than 19 passengers, at least:
(1) if an FFS qualified to level CG, C or interim C is used during the course, 1500 hours flight time or 250 route sectors;
(2) if an FFS qualified to level DG or D is used during the course, 500 hours flight time or 100 route sectors.
(b) When a pilot is changing from a turbo-prop to a turbo-jet aeroplane or from a turbo-jet to a turbo-prop aeroplane, additional simulator training shall be required.
(2) if an FFS qualified to level DG or D is used during the course, 500 hours flight time or 100 route sectors.
It is possible that airlines may impose further restrictions on their ZFTT applicants.
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Thanks for the info guys.
Are there any age limits on applying for BA Managed Path? (If I was to push out my 22yrs, I'd be 43 on leaving the service).
I hear it's limited to 55?
CE
Are there any age limits on applying for BA Managed Path? (If I was to push out my 22yrs, I'd be 43 on leaving the service).
I hear it's limited to 55?
CE