BA Managed path
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If they want to keep fabulously experienced, wise and able PAS instructors like me then they are going to do whatever they can to stop me going
You are just a number. The process will move on and someone else will just fill the $hitty jobs you've been dicked with. PVR is your choice, they will then release you when their rules allow and in the interests of the RAF, naturally!
Experience, wise and able mean jack in the big scheme; they are just reasons why any reasonable mate feels the RAF will be mad not to encourage him to stay. Someone else though will fill your shoes, and when you carry out the PVR, you will feel numb at the lack of interest in you.
The best part though is you've probably got a great alternative career to move on to, especially in the current climate.
Exodus anyone?
Champagne anyone...?
I'm certainly under no illusions 
I've always said that one can compare leaving the RAF to taking one's hand out of a bath full of water. There will be no hole left, the level will go down imperceptibly and, once the one or two brief ripples have settled, no one will really notice you've gone. Obviously, you're just left with a slightly damp hand but I'm not quite sure where the analogy goes with that bit though..... 
I've always said that one can compare leaving the RAF to taking one's hand out of a bath full of water. There will be no hole left, the level will go down imperceptibly and, once the one or two brief ripples have settled, no one will really notice you've gone. Obviously, you're just left with a slightly damp hand but I'm not quite sure where the analogy goes with that bit though.....
I guess it depends on what temperature the bathwater was?
If the bathwater was cold, then your hand slowly warms up and drys, and you eventually feel better than you did with your hand in a bath of cold water.
If the bathwater was warm/hot, then your hand also slowly drys, but may feel, at least at first, colder than it was before, a change you initially regret. However, even that feeling will rapidly fade into simple normality....
...and if the bathwater was scalding hot, the simple act of removal itself is a blessed relief!
If the bathwater was cold, then your hand slowly warms up and drys, and you eventually feel better than you did with your hand in a bath of cold water.
If the bathwater was warm/hot, then your hand also slowly drys, but may feel, at least at first, colder than it was before, a change you initially regret. However, even that feeling will rapidly fade into simple normality....
...and if the bathwater was scalding hot, the simple act of removal itself is a blessed relief!
Sorry to hear that you're pulling the black-and-yellow, Stoppers. But there comes a time when all the duck-nibbling and bull$hit trips the high level switch, I guess...
If the RAF cannot retain people of your calibre and skill, god help them for the future.....
If the RAF cannot retain people of your calibre and skill, god help them for the future.....
From someone who PVR'd many many years ago, the only Managed Path outside is that of supply and demand. Civil airlines, including BA, are all hostage to that simple equation and no amount of policy, published procedures, or understandings with "Manning" will overcome that fact of life. As others have said, if you've decided that the Service is no longer the future for you then you have made your choice. Have the courage of your conviction and PVR if that is the only way out.
BA is not the by all and end all anyway. In my day it was just another form of government work but not any more though, and it is fast becoming just another "independent airline" with a future as unknown and risky as any. I had a rewarding and fulfilling career with other carriers, until BA gobbled us up. Having seen them from inside and out, I preferred the latter scenario but that is a personal choice as will yours be. Whatever it is, good luck!
BA is not the by all and end all anyway. In my day it was just another form of government work but not any more though, and it is fast becoming just another "independent airline" with a future as unknown and risky as any. I had a rewarding and fulfilling career with other carriers, until BA gobbled us up. Having seen them from inside and out, I preferred the latter scenario but that is a personal choice as will yours be. Whatever it is, good luck!
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Please could some one PM me the GAI and/or where to find it as I have no cinjection to DII on my current post and get no access to these documents. I'm particularly interested in the eligibility criteria.
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I found it the other day on DII. Started by clicking on "e-library" on the right side of the DII home page. Then clicked on "people," and then from the next page, "publications" on the left (still with me?).
In the related links box on the right of the next page was one for "RAF Publications." Followed that, and on the next page, you can look through the badly-formatted, non-alphabetical "links" section to find RAF GAIs....
The headlines are you must be aged 32 or over and on a PC to register for the scheme (GAI still talks about RAFCARS rather than Managed Path specifically). It implied in a flow chart that you won't have your name put forward to "participating airlines" by manning unless you have an ET exit date agreed, or you're within 1 year of a retirement date.
If anyone's interested in more specifics drop me a PM; it's marked "official-manning," and I don't understand the new classification scheme enough to know whether or not I can post it here....!
In the related links box on the right of the next page was one for "RAF Publications." Followed that, and on the next page, you can look through the badly-formatted, non-alphabetical "links" section to find RAF GAIs....
The headlines are you must be aged 32 or over and on a PC to register for the scheme (GAI still talks about RAFCARS rather than Managed Path specifically). It implied in a flow chart that you won't have your name put forward to "participating airlines" by manning unless you have an ET exit date agreed, or you're within 1 year of a retirement date.
If anyone's interested in more specifics drop me a PM; it's marked "official-manning," and I don't understand the new classification scheme enough to know whether or not I can post it here....!
... which adds a bit more meat to the stuff from the GAI I posted above.
You have to be on a PC, and be within 2 years of a "recognised exit point." If you're not, you can still apply as long as you applied for ET before 5 Sep 14. You also have to have 1500hrs on service aircraft. Tick those boxes and you can apply via managed path as opposed to DEP.
Looks like they actually do engage a fair bit on your behalf and smooth the transition from RAF to BA though.
Good luck to anyone who qualifies...!
You have to be on a PC, and be within 2 years of a "recognised exit point." If you're not, you can still apply as long as you applied for ET before 5 Sep 14. You also have to have 1500hrs on service aircraft. Tick those boxes and you can apply via managed path as opposed to DEP.
Looks like they actually do engage a fair bit on your behalf and smooth the transition from RAF to BA though.
Good luck to anyone who qualifies...!
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Not the GAI but some info here;
British Airways Direct Entry Pilot Scheme open until 23 September | Pilot Career News
British Airways Direct Entry Pilot Scheme open until 23 September | Pilot Career News
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GAI Update
Some good info on here guys and girls thanks...
...but the reason that I requested a copy of the full GAI as a PM is that I do not have DII(F)/DII(S)/JPA/DIN access in my current role.
The partial copy of the GAI that I did manage to get a hold of makes no mention of being within 2 years of exit (ie in the flowchart). All it states is over 32 and on a PC with an agreed exit date.
Does anyone have the full GAI to hand that would be kind enough to PM over here so I can clrify a few points?
Thanks for any info.
...but the reason that I requested a copy of the full GAI as a PM is that I do not have DII(F)/DII(S)/JPA/DIN access in my current role.
The partial copy of the GAI that I did manage to get a hold of makes no mention of being within 2 years of exit (ie in the flowchart). All it states is over 32 and on a PC with an agreed exit date.
Does anyone have the full GAI to hand that would be kind enough to PM over here so I can clrify a few points?
Thanks for any info.
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GAI 1028 AL6 does not mention Managed Path, it is purely RAFCARS. To qualify for RAFCARS you must be older than 32 and have a recognised exit date. Apply via the attached annex to manning.
2014DIN01-180 was released on 5 Sep and details the BA Managed Path Scheme. Here, you must be within 2 years of a recognised exit point and have 1500 hours on any service aircraft. Once you leave (not at point of applying) you must have a class 1 medical, at least EASA fATPL and an MCC. You can either apply to the scheme via the attached annex to manning or to BA directly during a recruitment period (like now!).
Hope that helps - I'm unable to upload any of the documents.
2014DIN01-180 was released on 5 Sep and details the BA Managed Path Scheme. Here, you must be within 2 years of a recognised exit point and have 1500 hours on any service aircraft. Once you leave (not at point of applying) you must have a class 1 medical, at least EASA fATPL and an MCC. You can either apply to the scheme via the attached annex to manning or to BA directly during a recruitment period (like now!).
Hope that helps - I'm unable to upload any of the documents.
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Managed Path
Hi all, the Managed Path is open now. Not sure if it was closed since September 2014 but the requirements are as per the last post I'm pretty sure.
Does anyone know for sure that FO at Heathrow for several years is the only option for successful applicants? Could they potentially offer a northern base?
Thanks
Ray
Does anyone know for sure that FO at Heathrow for several years is the only option for successful applicants? Could they potentially offer a northern base?
Thanks
Ray