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As the Andrew spend their working lives working in, on, under and above the medium which your Prune name suggests you are master of, I suspect they have some of the basic knowledge, skills and aptitude to make the leap without too much angst.
As the Andrew spend their working lives working in, on, under and above the medium which your Prune name suggests you are master of, I suspect they have some of the basic knowledge, skills and aptitude to make the leap without too much angst.
I am ex Shackleton, ex Nimrod, got an awful lot of hours on 737's and I have a beard. Looks like I am the ideal chap to operate the R.N.'s P8s. Might have to lie about my age . Just a bit.
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Agree 2 engines for LRMPA seems to have disadvantages
Saying it's a big turboprop with contra rotating props like the Shackletons and some Spitfires makes people more confident then using words like exotic "propfan"..
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Very high speed at height isn't essential for MPA, superior fuel consumption and performance at lower levels are more important.
It depends on the operational requirement. To use the Nimrod figures, it could react and reach a patrol area 1000 miles from base in 3.5 hours. Unrefuelled it could remain there for 4 hours and be relieved by another Nimrod with 6 patrol cycles in 24 hours.
A Shackleton, the epitome of low and slow, could reach that patrol area in 6.5 hours and remain on patrol for 2-3 hours and thus need 10-12 patrol cycles and more aircraft and crews to do the job.
In addition the Nimrod would only be 3.5 hours late on a datum with the Shackleton nearly double that. It doesn't take a genius to calculate the respective circles of uncertainty. In the Nimrod case it could reach a point on the circumference in 10 minutes. In the Shackleton case in an hour.
These are of course extremes and the speed difference between a modern hi-fast or low and not so slow is not as extreme but it points up the need for speed.
In the case of SRMP the difference comes down to launch reaction time rather than sheer speed.
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Bet the oppo submariners will love that thing! Won't be hard to hear that one coming, will it...?
Anyway you can turn them off and it's a silent glider (with a turbofan in the tail)
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That laser weapons system they were showing firing on an automobile? The comments about it being useful in an urban environment make me suspect SWAT will want to get their hands on some of those babies; furthermore with the plan to set up an infrastructure in the United States to operate drones such as the Reaper, that could make a fantastic assassination tool.
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That laser weapons system they were showing firing on an automobile? The comments about it being useful in an urban environment make me suspect SWAT will want to get their hands on some of those babies; furthermore with the plan to set up an infrastructure in the United States to operate drones such as the Reaper, that could make a fantastic assassination tool.
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"You have to ask why on earth a P8 (737) was ever considered for this role 
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because, dear boy , every attempt to design one from scratch leads to a vastly expensive, unaffordable aeroplane
the Orion was based on that grotty Electra they operated for a while in the USA
If we'd based our on the HS-748 we'd still have some capability rather than a fantastic series of designs that cost us zillions and left us with nothing............
"because, dear boy , every attempt to design one from scratch leads to a vastly expensive, unaffordable aeroplane
the Orion was based on that grotty Electra they operated for a while in the USA
If we'd based our on the HS-748 we'd still have some capability rather than a fantastic series of designs that cost us zillions and left us with nothing............
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1) The P3 is a very, very successful design that is very good at its job - so I'm at a bit of a loss to understand the reference to the Electra.
2) Why should something based on the 748 be any better than an MPA based on the Comet, which led to the highly successful MR1, MR2, and sneaky beaky R1?
3) An off the shelf option would have been better than a "Bungling Baron Mk4" (especially if we could have fitted our own sensor suite), but nothing you've posted suggests that you have clue 1.
2) Why should something based on the 748 be any better than an MPA based on the Comet, which led to the highly successful MR1, MR2, and sneaky beaky R1?
3) An off the shelf option would have been better than a "Bungling Baron Mk4" (especially if we could have fitted our own sensor suite), but nothing you've posted suggests that you have clue 1.
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I wonder why everybody here assumes a new MPA (if ever) will be just for / from the UK, just like it always was. Are you following the news..
AGI News On - ROYAL NAVY HAS JETS HOSTED ABOARD FRENCH AIRCRAFT CARRIER
A European MPA/coast guard fleet with 2-3 standardized types/ procedures seems so much more efficient. A few bases around the edges, mixed crews, moving around fleet/crews to where needed most.
AGI News On - ROYAL NAVY HAS JETS HOSTED ABOARD FRENCH AIRCRAFT CARRIER
A European MPA/coast guard fleet with 2-3 standardized types/ procedures seems so much more efficient. A few bases around the edges, mixed crews, moving around fleet/crews to where needed most.
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Electra/P-3 yes, I know.... the same relationship as Comet/Nimrod... I don't see why a 748 would be better than a Nimrod, based on an Electra/P3 comparison? Didn't make sense to me....
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1) there are no RN jets on the CdeG. The RN doesn't have any flyable carrier jets
2) that news article in the Telegraph said nothing of the kind. It speculated on possible future co-operation over training and maybe use of the two new British carriers
1) there are no RN jets on the CdeG. The RN doesn't have any flyable carrier jets
2) that news article in the Telegraph said nothing of the kind. It speculated on possible future co-operation over training and maybe use of the two new British carriers
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The P3 and Nimrod were good for Europe for the last 50 years.
Not for the next 50. The world has changed too much.
That's why Nimrod was scrapped and Dutch P3 sold..
Sad for everyone involved, IMO a radical turnaround long overdue for Europe.
A new flexible and efficient platform is expensive but cheaper to operate, lasts for 50 years and has good export potential.
Not for the next 50. The world has changed too much.
That's why Nimrod was scrapped and Dutch P3 sold..
Sad for everyone involved, IMO a radical turnaround long overdue for Europe.
A new flexible and efficient platform is expensive but cheaper to operate, lasts for 50 years and has good export potential.