Is Pm Cameron Delusional?
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Why are we in the EUR?
The last time U.S. AF top brass diplomatics flew over here they had GERMAN ground sweep helicopters about 3 mins ahead of them. 75 feet above the roof top...manned machine guns..just like F
G 1977 VietNam.
Can someone tell me WHY the UK is always doing the hard stuff and the rest of the EUR gets the easy stuff?
G 1977 VietNam.Can someone tell me WHY the UK is always doing the hard stuff and the rest of the EUR gets the easy stuff?
Daves office Number 10 - The phone rings.
Voice: Dave, Dave are you there mate?
PM: Yah who is it?
Voice: Billy, Billy Hague..
PM: Who?
Voice: Billy Hague....Your ForSec dumbo..
PM: Oh yah, yah, hold on, let me just turn down the Jams 'Eton Rifles'.... That's better. Sup up your real ale and collect your old public school fags -What's the score Billy?
Hague: well we've been outflanked by the Hun and the Garlic munchers old boy, and we need to do something pronto.
PM: Something eh? - What about the Royal Wedding?
Hague: No Dave, this is no recession, its Libya, serious stuff. ITN news made us look stupid last night.
PM: ITN made US look stupid?? - That's saying something Billy. So what do we do?
Hague: Well I think we've still got an Air-force, so lets send them in and be the heroes - paying the landing fees, obviously, we don't want to offend anyone, but what we need is a no fly zone.
PM: Well I'm in the process of making them all redundant, they wont be flying then will they?
Hague: Fair enough Dave, fair enough...click.
Cue music....
"......what a catalyst you turned out to be - loaded the guns then you run off home for your tea..."
Voice: Dave, Dave are you there mate?
PM: Yah who is it?
Voice: Billy, Billy Hague..
PM: Who?
Voice: Billy Hague....Your ForSec dumbo..
PM: Oh yah, yah, hold on, let me just turn down the Jams 'Eton Rifles'.... That's better. Sup up your real ale and collect your old public school fags -What's the score Billy?
Hague: well we've been outflanked by the Hun and the Garlic munchers old boy, and we need to do something pronto.
PM: Something eh? - What about the Royal Wedding?
Hague: No Dave, this is no recession, its Libya, serious stuff. ITN news made us look stupid last night.
PM: ITN made US look stupid?? - That's saying something Billy. So what do we do?
Hague: Well I think we've still got an Air-force, so lets send them in and be the heroes - paying the landing fees, obviously, we don't want to offend anyone, but what we need is a no fly zone.
PM: Well I'm in the process of making them all redundant, they wont be flying then will they?
Hague: Fair enough Dave, fair enough...click.
Cue music....
"......what a catalyst you turned out to be - loaded the guns then you run off home for your tea..."
But how come the French do not help us here where they have so much experience?
According to Le Figaro they operated two "humanitarian" Flights into Benghazi yesterday, and the French are just as involved as, say, the Brits in the diplomacy and planning surrounding the setting up of a No-Fly zone.
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There’s a line missing though….
Billy – have you seen Cleggy this weekend?
Dave – who?
Billy – Cleggy, your deputy!
Dave – nah, haven’t seen him all week. Off playing rugger or on his hols treating his kiddies to jelly and ice cream I think.
Billy – mmmm jelly….
Billy – have you seen Cleggy this weekend?
Dave – who?
Billy – Cleggy, your deputy!
Dave – nah, haven’t seen him all week. Off playing rugger or on his hols treating his kiddies to jelly and ice cream I think.
Billy – mmmm jelly….
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Of course, it may be that Dave is trying to save what's left of the Air Force by committing it to a task that proves we need it. The defence cuts have gone in so deep because thats what the pinko, tree hugging Lib-Dems want, to preserve as many of their Guardian readers' non-jobs as possible.
But what would I know, I'm just a civilian party activist...
But what would I know, I'm just a civilian party activist...
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NFZ
I've been out of the military loop for a lot of years so I have no current knowledge of how things work.
Sarcasm aside for a moment, an NFZ could be imposed by a force of Tornados/Typhoons?, AWACS and presumably some AAR support. From Malta its about 200nm to Tripoli, assuming Malta could be used. Assuming the political will was there - big question I know -and talking purely in practical terms, is Britain no longer capable of providing such a force? What would be the obstacles in the way of detaching the necessary number of suitable aircraft to carry out such duties?
Sarcasm aside for a moment, an NFZ could be imposed by a force of Tornados/Typhoons?, AWACS and presumably some AAR support. From Malta its about 200nm to Tripoli, assuming Malta could be used. Assuming the political will was there - big question I know -and talking purely in practical terms, is Britain no longer capable of providing such a force? What would be the obstacles in the way of detaching the necessary number of suitable aircraft to carry out such duties?
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Sarcasm aside for a moment, an NFZ could be imposed by a force of Tornados/Typhoons?, AWACS and presumably some AAR support. From Malta its about 200nm to Tripoli, assuming Malta could be used. Assuming the political will was there - big question I know -and talking purely in practical terms, is Britain no longer capable of providing such a force? What would be the obstacles in the way of detaching the necessary number of suitable aircraft to carry out such duties?
What would be the obstacles in the way of detaching the necessary number of suitable aircraft to carry out such duties?
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As a helicopter mender type I have a couple of questions.
Firstly, where is the nearest “friendly” diversion for the Typhoons should they have a problem whilst on task? Secondly, how long can a Typhoon remain “on charge” to the aircrew before it has to be serviced? As you know we do things a little differently in the FAA with 25, 50, 75 hrlys etc, but there must come a time when it has to be pulled for maintenance.
With so much time spent getting to and from Libya from Akrotiri you are effectively “burning” aircraft serviceability just to arrive on task.
I won’t bleat on about the lack of carrier air, that horse has bolted!
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Firstly, where is the nearest “friendly” diversion for the Typhoons should they have a problem whilst on task? Secondly, how long can a Typhoon remain “on charge” to the aircrew before it has to be serviced? As you know we do things a little differently in the FAA with 25, 50, 75 hrlys etc, but there must come a time when it has to be pulled for maintenance.
With so much time spent getting to and from Libya from Akrotiri you are effectively “burning” aircraft serviceability just to arrive on task.
I won’t bleat on about the lack of carrier air, that horse has bolted!
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In view of the fact that Russia, China and France are reported in the Telegraph as being against a NFZ everyone can now relax as it's not going to happen.
The issue will now be the despatch of humanitarian aid, something the powers in the area have plenty of aircraft and ships to deal with.
The issue will now be the despatch of humanitarian aid, something the powers in the area have plenty of aircraft and ships to deal with.