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Sand4gold.
Rubbish rubbish rubbish rubbish!
Stop spouting zenophobic irrational nonsense and check your facts.
The UK will NOT have an immigrant sourced majority by 2050 under any circumstances. Ignoring the rather obvious fact that we are ALL immigrants, UK population grew by 0.6% last year of which the majority, 787,000 were births. Net immigration fell for the second year running. 7.9% of the population is non white.
Rubbish rubbish rubbish rubbish!
Stop spouting zenophobic irrational nonsense and check your facts.
The UK will NOT have an immigrant sourced majority by 2050 under any circumstances. Ignoring the rather obvious fact that we are ALL immigrants, UK population grew by 0.6% last year of which the majority, 787,000 were births. Net immigration fell for the second year running. 7.9% of the population is non white.
Nice Timing........
I thought I had seen, heard and read everything.
Our fumbling and inactivity re. Libya [farcical, risible, pathetic etc etc] may be beginning to educate the public as to our pathetic state, through no fault of the RAF: those who can read and listen and have an attention span of one minute plus.
We were last seen handing out bottled water, crisps and [blasphemy deleted] bananas and trying to fire up one scruffy charter flight.
God help us, because we are helpless.
Last one out please lock the door, do check the cleanliness of the loos, turn the light out, and try to do it in the correct order and iaw. relevant H&S and compliance legislation.
Our fumbling and inactivity re. Libya [farcical, risible, pathetic etc etc] may be beginning to educate the public as to our pathetic state, through no fault of the RAF: those who can read and listen and have an attention span of one minute plus.
We were last seen handing out bottled water, crisps and [blasphemy deleted] bananas and trying to fire up one scruffy charter flight.
God help us, because we are helpless.
Last one out please lock the door, do check the cleanliness of the loos, turn the light out, and try to do it in the correct order and iaw. relevant H&S and compliance legislation.
SRENNAPS,
787,000 born here, 237,0000 settled here, 57,000 left.
Still don't see how the hell you are going to have a majority of population being immigrants by 2050, so my point still stands and Sand4gold's is still xenophobic nonsense.
langleybaston,
Of the 35000 UK nationals in Libya, 3,000 left of their own accord and the RAF has just evacuated the rest in a Hercules, the day after the French did the same.
WHAT is the problem?
787,000 born here, 237,0000 settled here, 57,000 left.
Still don't see how the hell you are going to have a majority of population being immigrants by 2050, so my point still stands and Sand4gold's is still xenophobic nonsense.
langleybaston,
Of the 35000 UK nationals in Libya, 3,000 left of their own accord and the RAF has just evacuated the rest in a Hercules, the day after the French did the same.
WHAT is the problem?
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The problem is that the Herc will never get off the ground with 32000 pax aboard 
Of the 35000 UK nationals in Libya, 3,000 left of their own accord and the RAF has just evacuated the rest in a Hercules, the day after the French did the same.
Caz
Not ignored - but covered under the Double Tax agreement with HMRC surely. Or are you telling me you pay French tax on your pension as well???
Apologies for the thread drift. Back to it (sort of) ...
So, does anyone know if the FCO or MOD charge for those who are no longer resident, through their own choice, to be repatriated or moved to a safe(r) location (not always UK).
You ignore the fact that HMG reserves the right to tax "Government Pensions" in the UK no matter where the recipient resides on this Planet
Apologies for the thread drift. Back to it (sort of) ...
So, does anyone know if the FCO or MOD charge for those who are no longer resident, through their own choice, to be repatriated or moved to a safe(r) location (not always UK).
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Proone,
If you spent less time ranting, you may be able to link-up your thoughts - you come across as a somewhat foolish person.
Earlier replies referred to the opinions of middle-England re this Thread, my point was that the dynamics of our society are changing; long held views about this country's military might/role are now being challenged by minority groups hitherto silent - we ignore them at our peril, see your entry above. The source of my comment was from the Professor of Demography, St John's College Oxford (in fact he states within 50 years, my mistake). Either way, internal influences will soon play a greater role on how we, as a nation, model and implement our foreign policy.
S4G
If you spent less time ranting, you may be able to link-up your thoughts - you come across as a somewhat foolish person.
This is after all the main reason we have bombs on the streets in London
S4G
How droll, there were about 300 of the expat tax avoiders left. What's that, 3 Hercules trips?
(There was an extra 0 on my total...) Number of UK folk in Libya was about THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED
(There was an extra 0 on my total...) Number of UK folk in Libya was about THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED
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Not agreeing with either Sand4Gold or Pr00ne, but if you want to argue at least make credible points 
Pr00ne...
Sand4Gold said "a immigrant (sourced)". How many of those births you talk of were to first generation immigrants? Point of argument void.
Also...
Not all immigrants are are non-white. Point of argument void.
Sand4Gold...
Whilst I admit that when visiting some cities in the UK it can be very hard to find someone that is not at least 2nd generation Brit, I do not believe we will be 'taken over' by 2050.
MadMark!!!
Pr00ne...
787,000 were births.
Also...
7.9% of the population is non white.
Sand4Gold...
it is estimated that Britain will be populated by a immigrant (sourced) majority by 2050
MadMark!!!
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Actually the great British public haven't a clue about a great many things - the average guy on the street is a barely functional moron, I think you'll find, as far as knowing what's what in defence, health, education, science, and anything that involves something beyond voting for somebody on a TV program. Human attention span seems to be dwindling, blame it on what you will, but the human ability to string ideas together and form a logical conclusion is - for whatever reason - being bred out of us. (I think TV is to blame, with a side helping of the internet, but that's just my old reactionary brain at work).
A few days back I read an online article about the Libyan problem, and like many online papers there was an opportunity to post comments underneath. A soild string of comments followed, all along the general lines of:
'The RN will stick a carrier off Libya. The RAF will fly evac flights with all their troop carriers. If there's any argy bargy the SAS will go in and take out the Libyan military.'
These seem to be fairly common beliefs amongst the VAST majority who don't use sites like Pprune - Joe Public has no idea that we don't have the resources to do this stuff, we won against the Argies, then Iraq, and any time we get mad we will just do it all again... 'THEY' haven't a CLUE how short of kit we are, 'they' have no idea what the SDSR did.
THEY think the RN has carriers (they think they also have Harriers, by the way), THEY think the RAF has hundreds of aircraft, and THEY think the SAS amounts to about 15 divisions...backed up by an armoured infantry regular army with more men than Napoleon commanded.
There's no point relying on the public to notice anything - sorry, Kiwibrit, but stupid as it sounds, that is exactly what the British public appear to believe!
A few days back I read an online article about the Libyan problem, and like many online papers there was an opportunity to post comments underneath. A soild string of comments followed, all along the general lines of:
'The RN will stick a carrier off Libya. The RAF will fly evac flights with all their troop carriers. If there's any argy bargy the SAS will go in and take out the Libyan military.'
These seem to be fairly common beliefs amongst the VAST majority who don't use sites like Pprune - Joe Public has no idea that we don't have the resources to do this stuff, we won against the Argies, then Iraq, and any time we get mad we will just do it all again... 'THEY' haven't a CLUE how short of kit we are, 'they' have no idea what the SDSR did.
THEY think the RN has carriers (they think they also have Harriers, by the way), THEY think the RAF has hundreds of aircraft, and THEY think the SAS amounts to about 15 divisions...backed up by an armoured infantry regular army with more men than Napoleon commanded.
There's no point relying on the public to notice anything - sorry, Kiwibrit, but stupid as it sounds, that is exactly what the British public appear to believe!
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I'll hazard a guess that everyone here realized that you made a little typo, the bite shows that your banter circuit has definitley popped a c/b .... try resetting the c/b
I'll hazard a guess that everyone here realized that you made a little typo, the bite shows that your banter circuit has definitley popped a c/b .... try resetting the c/b
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..and as Pprune won't let you away with three character responses....
I wouldn't, necessarily, argue that point with you old chap - I would (obviously) have to point out that the adults we are discussing would all have exited school before I entered the profession....
Naturally, as part of CfE (Curriculum for Excellence) I am looking to introduce close order drill as a self esteem builder....
Dave
..and as Pprune won't let you away with three character responses....
I wouldn't, necessarily, argue that point with you old chap - I would (obviously) have to point out that the adults we are discussing would all have exited school before I entered the profession....
Naturally, as part of CfE (Curriculum for Excellence) I am looking to introduce close order drill as a self esteem builder....
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the husband of a friend has been working out there and got a phone call from FCO asking her to Pay for his seat out! Same happened in Egypt I wonder how many other countries are doing this?
I suspect the FCO is in for a nasty shock when David gets back from the middle east. Listening to the reports on the media it would appear the guys and girls on the ground are doing their bit and being let down by head office. I also wonder if they FCO were relying on the RAF to provide the airlift capability then cried H&S over the age/condition of VC10's/Tristars?
I suspect the FCO is in for a nasty shock when David gets back from the middle east. Listening to the reports on the media it would appear the guys and girls on the ground are doing their bit and being let down by head office. I also wonder if they FCO were relying on the RAF to provide the airlift capability then cried H&S over the age/condition of VC10's/Tristars?
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The British public does not understand capability gaps, holidays or seed corning
When we have to press to test, and fail, then I think the traditional British reserves of compliancy and acceptance will go up in smoke. We don't care that people are dying in Afghan, but we will when we have no national fuel reserves and no hospitals.
Duncan,
I remember Op Determinant; getting Brits out of the Congo, the Pumas had all seats removed (apart from a couple up front) and were fitted with a length of wire strop running horizontally around the cabin for civvies to grip during flight.
Gentleman Aviator
Ignoring the rather obvious fact that we are ALL immigrants,
Having had my DNA tested as part of a Genealogical project, at least one of my lines of ancestry (matrilineal of course, as it was only mitochondrial (sp?) DNA that was tested) remains in these islands, well before they were islands! (about 8000 years ago?). Or does the fact that great (times lots) grannie Teeters trudged across the land bridge from the Continong at the end of the pleistocene Ice age still make me an immigrant?
Would agree for white (or black!) septics, white seff efrikans and white Aussies (and all Kiwis, Maoris were immigrants in historical times, probably about 750 AD (or CE if you prefer)) but not me chief! ..... matrilineally anyway .....
I was in Jordan () just before the outbreak of Gulf War 1. The Embassy was looking at evacuation of British Nationals then. The deal was that the UK would provide flights but they would be charged at a rate well above commercial rates. A lot of Expats were not happy at this at all. The line from the Embassy was to get out by commercial/own steam means (air and land) as soon as possible as it was probably a quicker, and cheaper, option.
The other problem was that a lot of Expats had not bothered to register with the Embassy when arriving. Therefore, the staff had no real idea how many people were actually there. I imagine the Embassy in Libya has been a scene of chaos. As to the FCO, it is staffed by terribly clever things from Oxbridge who have learnt everything they know about the world from a book, or Daddy's photo album. You know.......w@nkers.
Similar thing in Malaysia after 9/11. Lots of Expats getting jittery and were told to make their own way out. Not just the Brits but all Nationalities. (People were getting jittery because the local shops were selling 9/11 goods in most of the shops i.e bathrrom tiles showing the aircraft crashing into the Twin Towers: a best seller apparently)
Diplomacy/Stiff Upper Lip and politics play as much a part in this as logistics, especially when there is oil involved!!
) just before the outbreak of Gulf War 1. The Embassy was looking at evacuation of British Nationals then. The deal was that the UK would provide flights but they would be charged at a rate well above commercial rates. A lot of Expats were not happy at this at all. The line from the Embassy was to get out by commercial/own steam means (air and land) as soon as possible as it was probably a quicker, and cheaper, option.The other problem was that a lot of Expats had not bothered to register with the Embassy when arriving. Therefore, the staff had no real idea how many people were actually there. I imagine the Embassy in Libya has been a scene of chaos. As to the FCO, it is staffed by terribly clever things from Oxbridge who have learnt everything they know about the world from a book, or Daddy's photo album. You know.......w@nkers.
Similar thing in Malaysia after 9/11. Lots of Expats getting jittery and were told to make their own way out. Not just the Brits but all Nationalities. (People were getting jittery because the local shops were selling 9/11 goods in most of the shops i.e bathrrom tiles showing the aircraft crashing into the Twin Towers: a best seller apparently
)Diplomacy/Stiff Upper Lip and politics play as much a part in this as logistics, especially when there is oil involved!!
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You work in an area where matters are resolved through logical and reasoned persuasion, and where the outcomes are sometimes breathtakingly flawed, or at least subjectively challengeable. You argue well, but perhaps your views on this forum would be more acceptable if you were to modify your preaching and accusatory tones.
Unless one has lived on another planet over recent times, it is quite evident that a significant proportion of the population (encompassing all ethnicities) has concerns over some of the immigration matters and implications raised here. To dismiss their views as xenophobic (fear and hatred of people from other countries) could be regarded in itself as being accusatory and inflammatory and, at best, unhelpful.
You work in an area where matters are resolved through logical and reasoned persuasion, and where the outcomes are sometimes breathtakingly flawed, or at least subjectively challengeable. You argue well, but perhaps your views on this forum would be more acceptable if you were to modify your preaching and accusatory tones.
Unless one has lived on another planet over recent times, it is quite evident that a significant proportion of the population (encompassing all ethnicities) has concerns over some of the immigration matters and implications raised here. To dismiss their views as xenophobic (fear and hatred of people from other countries) could be regarded in itself as being accusatory and inflammatory and, at best, unhelpful.