New Falklands War Brewing
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Why is one colonialism, and not the other? Colonialism has nothing to do with how many people who live there or the immigration laws (which aren't very different from the
Falklands, by the way). And, as you point out, Venezuela has "made some claims in the past", just like Argentina. Tomorrow, they may start making them again. Does it thus become "Colonialism" at that point, despite the inhabitant's wishing to remain part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands?
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Trying to divert attention away from the Topic, the Falklands
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No, the topic is colonialism. The Falklands are a symptom of that topic, a topic you are apparently being very hypocritical about.
Falklands, by the way). And, as you point out, Venezuela has "made some claims in the past", just like Argentina. Tomorrow, they may start making them again. Does it thus become "Colonialism" at that point, despite the inhabitant's wishing to remain part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands?
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Trying to divert attention away from the Topic, the Falklands
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No, the topic is colonialism. The Falklands are a symptom of that topic, a topic you are apparently being very hypocritical about.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Venezualla that made some claims on the islands in the past.
Venezuela’s Defense Minister says the military will deploy about 15,000 soldiers to regions along the country’s borders, including that with Guyana, in order to combat armed groups and drug trafficking, a Washington Post report said yesterday.
The report has raised some concern in Guyana, since it comes just a few days after the Venezuelan Government restated its claims to western Essequibo.....
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"Perhaps a direction for the Falklands. Strike a deal with Argetine, to boost trade, tourism, education for the Islanders, giving them better options by connecting to the potentially boosting Argentine economy. Create a big Falklands/ Malvinas / Oceanic Museum with them to start with.
Why do a deal with the loser aggressors ??? Especially if oil is
found and commercially extractable. I also said that the likelyhood
of a deal was blown by Argentina in 1982.
"potentially boosting Argentine economy."
Really ? Give it 100 years. And why boost an enemy who might
well use it to boost their military forces ?
"A real tourist attraction"
Yeah right, like millions want to go there ?
I haven't been but would like to but my father just got back
from FI and South Georgia on a bird trip. Said it was very very
desolate. I've been to similar places and don't know many who
would want to go.
Why do a deal with the loser aggressors ??? Especially if oil is
found and commercially extractable. I also said that the likelyhood
of a deal was blown by Argentina in 1982.
"potentially boosting Argentine economy."
Really ? Give it 100 years. And why boost an enemy who might
well use it to boost their military forces ?
"A real tourist attraction"
Yeah right, like millions want to go there ?
I haven't been but would like to but my father just got back
from FI and South Georgia on a bird trip. Said it was very very
desolate. I've been to similar places and don't know many who
would want to go.
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"So now on a lighter tone, we'll have an exciting Argentine Queen, Maxima,
in a few months,"
Who's family, as CM said, the father is such an embarrassment that
he is not allowed to be seen with them in public or at functions and
can only attend "behind the scenes" family only activities.
So even the Netherlands Gov't and Royalty can see what the Junta
and that crowd were.
"I saw this topic and was amazed by the senseless war mongering, Rambo talk, double standards, discrimination and selective use of rights, historical perspectives and double morale displayed by some of the members.
It was only logical to inform them that there are different views in the world and that colonialism is a forgotten word elsewhere. The Brits standing strong behind the right for self determination makes historians faint.
The reactions on this were in no particular order good civil replies, childish name calling, attempted diversions, opportunist discrediting of sources and singing the national anthem."
As opposed to "Argentine Queen, Maxima's" family that served
a junta that was into murder, torture, throwing live people out of
planes and helicopters from thousands of feet up into the ocean,
theft - oh, and not of just their own citizens but other country's
citizens as well !!!
Hypocracy comes to mind
in a few months,"
Who's family, as CM said, the father is such an embarrassment that
he is not allowed to be seen with them in public or at functions and
can only attend "behind the scenes" family only activities.
So even the Netherlands Gov't and Royalty can see what the Junta
and that crowd were.
"I saw this topic and was amazed by the senseless war mongering, Rambo talk, double standards, discrimination and selective use of rights, historical perspectives and double morale displayed by some of the members.
It was only logical to inform them that there are different views in the world and that colonialism is a forgotten word elsewhere. The Brits standing strong behind the right for self determination makes historians faint.
The reactions on this were in no particular order good civil replies, childish name calling, attempted diversions, opportunist discrediting of sources and singing the national anthem."
As opposed to "Argentine Queen, Maxima's" family that served
a junta that was into murder, torture, throwing live people out of
planes and helicopters from thousands of feet up into the ocean,
theft - oh, and not of just their own citizens but other country's
citizens as well !!!
Hypocracy comes to mind
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What I did notice were the Argentinian sangars on the approaches to Stanley. They were so obvious, even a bunch of cadets would have done better. They had built them using local stone but instead of keeping the dirty side up then presented the clean, shiny side towards the threat. Looked like new brick walls with no realistic concealment.
Suspicion breeds confidence
That's exactly how it was used then. Wire guided and incredibly accurate. 6lb shaped charge warhead on any position would turn it into ratfood. Hit one or two and the rest would run knowing what was coming next. It worked very well.
If the RM detachment on South Georgia had had one, they could have sunk ARA Guericco. They did great with what they had. Read "Too few to far"
If the RM detachment on South Georgia had had one, they could have sunk ARA Guericco. They did great with what they had. Read "Too few to far"
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Navaleye
Thanks.
I actually just saw a reference to "Too few to far" the other day
so will try and get it.
In it he says if the other 3 x 6mm rockets had gone off like
the 2 that did, it would have sunk. Either way, they sure made
it into a pepper pot !!!
Thanks.
I actually just saw a reference to "Too few to far" the other day
so will try and get it.
In it he says if the other 3 x 6mm rockets had gone off like
the 2 that did, it would have sunk. Either way, they sure made
it into a pepper pot !!!
Suspicion breeds confidence
The problem was with the Charlie G. They only had six round rounds and one tube. 3 misfired. They hit it with GPMG fire, 66m LAW and sniper fire blowing out the bridge windows. When the enemy crew came out to man the aft 40mm they were dropped. It was lucky to get way and took at lot of repair work. Kindle has the book very cheap. A good read and well worth it.
Best regards
Best regards
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Of course, the reality is, whilst people huff and puff on the big stage, quietly and imperceptibly British and Argentinian companies (including mine) do buisness. And long may both sides remember that. We're better of trading than fighting. And i'm doing my bit for thier wine industry in the resteraunt tonight. tonight so apologies for any typos. Big glass small keyboard. ;-)
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Bunker? These sangars were more like bits of dry stone wall. Britains used to make a small plastic sangar for its toy soldiers; they looked like that. Cover from SA but not mortar, rocket or arty.
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President of Uruguay calls Cristina Kirchner an ‘old hag’ in microphone slip
New Argentina war? Could be with Uruguay - headline on Times Online:-
Clearly President Mujica is a perceptive chap...
President of Uruguay calls Cristina Kirchner an ‘old hag’ in microphone slip
As microphone malfunctions go, it was pretty spectacular.
Argentina has made an official protest after the President of Uruguay managed to insult both Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the Argentine President, and her late husband with a single unguarded phrase.
President José Mujica, who came to power in Montevideo three years ago, was chatting quietly with an official before a press conference unaware that the microphones were already switched on.
“This old hag is even worse than the one-eyed man,” he was heard saying.
A Uruguayan newspaper posted the audio clilp on its website and said that it was clear who Mr Mujica was talking about: he has clashed in the past both with Mrs Kirchner and her late husband, Nestor Kirchner, whom she succeeded as President.
Argentina has made an official protest after the President of Uruguay managed to insult both Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the Argentine President, and her late husband with a single unguarded phrase.
President José Mujica, who came to power in Montevideo three years ago, was chatting quietly with an official before a press conference unaware that the microphones were already switched on.
“This old hag is even worse than the one-eyed man,” he was heard saying.
A Uruguayan newspaper posted the audio clilp on its website and said that it was clear who Mr Mujica was talking about: he has clashed in the past both with Mrs Kirchner and her late husband, Nestor Kirchner, whom she succeeded as President.
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This link, BBC News - Jose Mujica: The world's 'poorest' president from Nov last year gives a good account of El Presidente Jose. Dak Man, I doubt that he would accept the position as the house that goes with it is too big!
Without going over pages and pages of old news, there always has been, and always will be a little antagonism between the two countries. Add in the border dispute with Chile, the drugs/stolen vehicles/deforestation where Argentina meets Brazil, and a fair few problems with Paraguayan and Bolivian indigenous peoples, she is pretty isolated.
Being called an, "Old Hag," is probably the least of her worries and the least of her insults...
Without going over pages and pages of old news, there always has been, and always will be a little antagonism between the two countries. Add in the border dispute with Chile, the drugs/stolen vehicles/deforestation where Argentina meets Brazil, and a fair few problems with Paraguayan and Bolivian indigenous peoples, she is pretty isolated.
Being called an, "Old Hag," is probably the least of her worries and the least of her insults...