Too Low FlyBy-- USAF T-38s
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Too Low FlyBy-- USAF T-38s
Air Force Times {U.S.}:
Jan 6, 2011
The Air Force is considering disciplinary action against four pilots who participated in a T-38 stadium flyover before a University of Iowa football game in November 2010...
The 4 pilots {3 Majors & 1Lt), from the 71st Flying Training Wing, Vance AFB, Oklahoma... could face disciplinary action that includes Article 15 nonjudicial sanctions or an Article 32 hearing that could lead to a court martial...
Spectators posted videos of the event on You-Tube, and the pilots were later introduced during the game.
A review of video and Kinnick Stadium’s dimensions by The Associated Press found the jets flew at a fraction of the minimum altitude required before Iowa played Ohio State in Iowa City on Nov. 20.
Under Air Force regulations, the jets must have an altitude of at least 1,000 feet when flying over populated areas. The jets appeared to be slightly above the top of the press box, which is 137 feet above ground.
An Air Force spokesman stated that authorization was never granted to fly lower than 1,000 feet above the ground... that permission would require a waiver by the Federal Aviation Administration and special approval from Air Force officials.
71st Flying Training Wing
http://www.youtube.com/v/j8_QsRiaXAA
Air Force: Iowa game flyover was too low
The Air Force is considering disciplinary action against four pilots who participated in a T-38 stadium flyover before a University of Iowa football game in November 2010...
The 4 pilots {3 Majors & 1Lt), from the 71st Flying Training Wing, Vance AFB, Oklahoma... could face disciplinary action that includes Article 15 nonjudicial sanctions or an Article 32 hearing that could lead to a court martial...
Spectators posted videos of the event on You-Tube, and the pilots were later introduced during the game.
A review of video and Kinnick Stadium’s dimensions by The Associated Press found the jets flew at a fraction of the minimum altitude required before Iowa played Ohio State in Iowa City on Nov. 20.
Under Air Force regulations, the jets must have an altitude of at least 1,000 feet when flying over populated areas. The jets appeared to be slightly above the top of the press box, which is 137 feet above ground.
An Air Force spokesman stated that authorization was never granted to fly lower than 1,000 feet above the ground... that permission would require a waiver by the Federal Aviation Administration and special approval from Air Force officials.
71st Flying Training Wing
http://www.youtube.com/v/j8_QsRiaXAA
Notoriously difficult to judge height from video/photos as it is from the instruments inside of cockpits!
In all of the excerpts listed, everyone is cheering/congratulatory not complaining/criticising. Whilst mass appreciation doesn't condone rule breaking or dangerous flying, I would suggest that any over vigorous chastisement of the pilots will do more to bring (Bugger cant think of the right word) to the Air force than any (Alleged) actions of the pilots!
More important, 4's out by a mile!
In all of the excerpts listed, everyone is cheering/congratulatory not complaining/criticising. Whilst mass appreciation doesn't condone rule breaking or dangerous flying, I would suggest that any over vigorous chastisement of the pilots will do more to bring (Bugger cant think of the right word) to the Air force than any (Alleged) actions of the pilots!
More important, 4's out by a mile!
Probably in the 'naughty but nice' category....
No injuries / trauma / complaints received, so a swift kick up the bum for the leader might be sufficient. "Right, major, go away and bring me the details of the rules pertaining to the minimum routine height for overflying a crowd of spectators, plus the administrative action necessary to secure an exemption from such rules".
(Later) "Was such an exemption secured?"
(Assuming not) "Right, don't be such an utter ar$e in future. You are to arrange a full briefing for all pilots on this unit about the rules and will be off flying until you've delivered the brief which I will attend in person. Oh - and tell #4 that, unless he gets a grip when flying formation in public, he'll be posted to some rubber dog-**** hauling AMC outfit toot sweet! Now, f**k off out of here!"
No injuries / trauma / complaints received, so a swift kick up the bum for the leader might be sufficient. "Right, major, go away and bring me the details of the rules pertaining to the minimum routine height for overflying a crowd of spectators, plus the administrative action necessary to secure an exemption from such rules".
(Later) "Was such an exemption secured?"
(Assuming not) "Right, don't be such an utter ar$e in future. You are to arrange a full briefing for all pilots on this unit about the rules and will be off flying until you've delivered the brief which I will attend in person. Oh - and tell #4 that, unless he gets a grip when flying formation in public, he'll be posted to some rubber dog-**** hauling AMC outfit toot sweet! Now, f**k off out of here!"
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Alas, BEagle, thou art wrong....regarding the trauma that is....
The gentleman at the end of this clip of said flypast appears to be in need of a tissue..or two....or a consultation with a therapist....
It doesn't seem to want to be an individual clip, but click on the fourth from the left clip.. when the clip below finishes and you will see what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/v/j8_QsRiaXAA
The gentleman at the end of this clip of said flypast appears to be in need of a tissue..or two....or a consultation with a therapist....
It doesn't seem to want to be an individual clip, but click on the fourth from the left clip.. when the clip below finishes and you will see what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/v/j8_QsRiaXAA
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BEagle,
Following said one-way interview the senior officer then finds himself on a harrassment charge, having being reported to the station Rights & Equality officer for having used the words 'rubber', '****', 'f**k' and 'sweet'.
Following said one-way interview the senior officer then finds himself on a harrassment charge, having being reported to the station Rights & Equality officer for having used the words 'rubber', '****', 'f**k' and 'sweet'.
Well, the 71st Flying Training Wing overflight looked pretty tame compared to this US Navy effort:
YouTube - TCU at NAVY FLY BY!
YouTube - TCU at NAVY FLY BY!
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Just the usual yoof-tube assembly of well-known clips and hardly relevant to the thread topic concerning overflights of sports events by US military aircraft....
I am very impressed by the formation's timing, appearing just as the last notes of the National Anthem fade. As to the height, who knows? Probably a quite a quite natural misunderstanding whereby they overflew at 1000' altitude rather than height. Could happen to anyone M'Lord! In short a classic case of feather in the cap and black-eye. Case dismissed!
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Well, the 71st Flying Training Wing overflight looked pretty tame compared to this US Navy effort:
YouTube - TCU at NAVY FLY BY!
YouTube - TCU at NAVY FLY BY!
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Presumably somebody in an official capacity, somewhere had passed them the QFE for the area so it surely can't possibly be the pilots' fault if the passer of the message got it wrong. QFE for the Dead Sea (or in some cases the BOTTOM of the Dead Sea) can produce some nice displays. 
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Navy Ad, and Beagle,
Just a point.
If you freeze at sec 9, there is a clear shot of the 'formation'
'If'' it's finger 4 its sh:te, if it's arrow, it's sh:te,.... baulaux, Gaud Knows what it is, but it's sh:ite...........
A bunch of IPs, 'avin a laff'. And , not doing it well.
However, from experience, I know the USAF never teach any kind of display skill flying to their pilots, at all. Which might explain why their rules are so tight (1000)' and the result so pi$$ poor.
Sorry Fellas (the poor T38 Guys), If you wanted a PAT on the back for LOW, get your SH!T in formation. End
Pity, IT WAS RUBBISH... and poorly flown. Shame to get Baulauxed over 'That'......... Now, 'Tommy' He knew how to do it!!!!
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Just a point.
If you freeze at sec 9, there is a clear shot of the 'formation'
'If'' it's finger 4 its sh:te, if it's arrow, it's sh:te,.... baulaux, Gaud Knows what it is, but it's sh:ite...........
A bunch of IPs, 'avin a laff'. And , not doing it well.
However, from experience, I know the USAF never teach any kind of display skill flying to their pilots, at all. Which might explain why their rules are so tight (1000)' and the result so pi$$ poor.
Sorry Fellas (the poor T38 Guys), If you wanted a PAT on the back for LOW, get your SH!T in formation. End
Pity, IT WAS RUBBISH... and poorly flown. Shame to get Baulauxed over 'That'......... Now, 'Tommy' He knew how to do it!!!!
Advo
