25%+ cut in allowances!
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If you are getting 25p a mile as an allowance, this is the equivalent of:
23.64 miles per gallon at £1.30 for fuel, or
25.46 miles per gallon at £1.40 for fuel.
So, if you are paying £1.40 for fuel, and your vehicle is achieving 26 miles per gallon or more, you are actually making a profit - IN TERMS OF FUEL COSTS ONLY!!
Minigun - I am not defending the system, or disagreeing with your comment. I just find it hard to work out how Diablo came up with his figures.....
23.64 miles per gallon at £1.30 for fuel, or
25.46 miles per gallon at £1.40 for fuel.
So, if you are paying £1.40 for fuel, and your vehicle is achieving 26 miles per gallon or more, you are actually making a profit - IN TERMS OF FUEL COSTS ONLY!!
Minigun - I am not defending the system, or disagreeing with your comment. I just find it hard to work out how Diablo came up with his figures.....
Minigun - I am not defending the system, or disagreeing with your comment. I just find it hard to work out how Diablo came up with his figures.....
MRAF retired on full pay, however the rank of MRAF was discontinued some years ago and the number alive is very small. An ACM, AM, AVM Air Cdre etc who retires leaves with a pension. All the details will be the relevant Joint Service Publication on Pensions, however I don't have a link to it.
AB - Close, but worth pointing out that five star officers of all Services promoted prior to 1 Apr 80 were "eligible for either half pay or active list retired pay", a specially created description and rate consistent with the fact that they are deemed not to retire. Those promoted from 1 Apr 80 onwards were "eligible, during periods for which he does not receive full pay, active list retired pay", full pay applying of course primarily to CDSs until such promotion on appointment as CDS ceased in 1996. Needless to say, the foregoing does not apply to members of the Royal Family holding five star ranks, such as HRH The Duke of Edinburgh and HRH The Duke of Kent.
So, for the avoidance of doubt:
No officer of Flag, General, or Air rank retires, or has retired within living memory, on full pay
Jack
AB - Close, but worth pointing out that five star officers of all Services promoted prior to 1 Apr 80 were "eligible for either half pay or active list retired pay", a specially created description and rate consistent with the fact that they are deemed not to retire. Those promoted from 1 Apr 80 onwards were "eligible, during periods for which he does not receive full pay, active list retired pay", full pay applying of course primarily to CDSs until such promotion on appointment as CDS ceased in 1996. Needless to say, the foregoing does not apply to members of the Royal Family holding five star ranks, such as HRH The Duke of Edinburgh and HRH The Duke of Kent.
So, for the avoidance of doubt:
No officer of Flag, General, or Air rank retires, or has retired within living memory, on full pay
Jack
As a disinterested bystander (it's over 30 years since I had a penny for petrol off anyone) I'd still like to comment.
By far the biggest cost in driving a car, other than fuel, is depreciation. Every mile you drive knocks a little bit off its resale value. If all that MOD is compensating you for is the cost of the petrol then they are getting a bargain, and you are doing the taxpayer a favour.
For which thank you very much, by the way!
By far the biggest cost in driving a car, other than fuel, is depreciation. Every mile you drive knocks a little bit off its resale value. If all that MOD is compensating you for is the cost of the petrol then they are getting a bargain, and you are doing the taxpayer a favour.
For which thank you very much, by the way!
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...and don't forget your insurance. If you drive your personal car on duty without business travel in your policy then you may not be covered...where's the button for Car Insurance on JPA???
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And that includes driving to a detached duty station on a Monday and home on the Friday where PCR is claimed.
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Needless to say, the foregoing does not apply to members of the Royal Family holding five star ranks, such as HRH The Duke of Edinburgh and HRH The Duke of Kent.
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You do realise that everything they told you at IOT isn't true?
I don't know how you view your self and your professional field, but I like to do the right thing, rather than just doing things right. It tends to baffle some, but helps the rest in some small way.
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The MT problem is due to late notice tasking, a factor that seems prevalent these days. Result is "When do you need it" & "Now", which is nobodys fault at unit level. Also too many small saloons being driven from the Mess to HQ by SOff (Senior Officers) when a need for external transport exists. They (SOff) should be using electric golf buggies like to US Forces do.
In fairness, your answer did appear a bit bone at the time.
In fairness, your answer did appear a bit bone at the time.
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In fairness, your answer did appear a bit bone at the time.
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Not unhappy as such, just thinking that if the mileage allowance was a little nearer the actual cost, I would use my own car and save the cost of a hire car. That said, I would never think of doing 700 miles in my own car for service business - at 15000 miles between services which cost £300 that would be £15 in costs on top of fuel, not to mention depreciation.
Not unhappy as such, just thinking that if the mileage allowance was a little nearer the actual cost, I would use my own car and save the cost of a hire car. That said, I would never think of doing 700 miles in my own car for service business - at 15000 miles between services which cost £300 that would be £15 in costs on top of fuel, not to mention depreciation.
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Remember the PCR is a convenience reimbursement should you wish to use your own car rather than use public transport including buses, taxis and trains. If for reasons of convenience you chose to use your own car travelling from home rather than travelling in to you unit then they graciously pay you the public transport equivalent (well they did).
Take a hypothetical course starting Monday morning (why Monday?) and you need to travel on Sunday. You would be expected to travel by train on Sunday and return when the course ends. During the course you would of course be on-base and unable to go in to towm to the pub or wherever. Naturally you will have travelled by car - your choice!
The higher MMA or ODR was when you were required to undertake an official journey and for one reason or another public transport or service transport was not available. That is the allowance which will be stopped. The implication is that transport will always be provided and it is your choice whether to use it or not.
Occasionally public transport will not be available; the answer is clear - DON'T use your own car - cancel the trip.
Take a hypothetical course starting Monday morning (why Monday?) and you need to travel on Sunday. You would be expected to travel by train on Sunday and return when the course ends. During the course you would of course be on-base and unable to go in to towm to the pub or wherever. Naturally you will have travelled by car - your choice!
The higher MMA or ODR was when you were required to undertake an official journey and for one reason or another public transport or service transport was not available. That is the allowance which will be stopped. The implication is that transport will always be provided and it is your choice whether to use it or not.
Occasionally public transport will not be available; the answer is clear - DON'T use your own car - cancel the trip.
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Take a hypothetical course starting Monday morning (why Monday?) and you need to travel on Sunday. You would be expected to travel by train on Sunday and return when the course ends. During the course you would of course be on-base and unable to go in to towm to the pub or wherever. Naturally you will have travelled by car - your choice!
The higher MMA or ODR was when you were required to undertake an official journey and for one reason or another public transport or service transport was not available. That is the allowance which will be stopped. The implication is that transport will always be provided and it is your choice whether to use it or not.
Occasionally public transport will not be available; the answer is clear - DON'T use your own car - cancel the trip.
Public transport? You are having a laugh if you think you can get to half the isolated bases with the amount of kit you need these days on a bus (if there is even one that goes remotely near)
Cancel the trip- easier said than done if you are not at exec level or above.
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Given I've been OC MT in more than one country both on and off ops, I was hoping to ascertain what, if anything, went wrong with 'the system' for the posters concerned.
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Just for fun, I'll do the bite for Mr C Hinecap.........
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....... and no I'm not a fellow MTO, just bored.
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....... and no I'm not a fellow MTO, just bored.
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Back to the business in hand......
Happy with the cuts and in particular, I'm interested in the LOA change. So everyone will fall into 3 brackets, all based on a Cpl's LOA. The other 2 brackets will be paid at 1.1 and 1.2 times the Cpl rate (so a Flt Lt will get the 1.1 times)
Now looking at the Cpl's rate, it's actually the same as (even a few pence higher) than the Flt Lt rate. So, happy with that, esp as I'll get 1.1 times it in the future (2012 or whenever the phase in is complete)
Now, the question is, since LOA is being "revised" to take into account changes in lifestyle blah de blah de blah, how much is the Cpl's rate going to change by from it's current level ? Any ideas or answers been heard from the Admin world ?
For what it's worth, I'm glad I'm going onto Cpl LOA. Maybe I can afford the fast car's and personalised number plates they all have........
(And is the price difference between Red sauce and Brown sauce being take into account ?
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Happy with the cuts and in particular, I'm interested in the LOA change. So everyone will fall into 3 brackets, all based on a Cpl's LOA. The other 2 brackets will be paid at 1.1 and 1.2 times the Cpl rate (so a Flt Lt will get the 1.1 times)
Now looking at the Cpl's rate, it's actually the same as (even a few pence higher) than the Flt Lt rate. So, happy with that, esp as I'll get 1.1 times it in the future (2012 or whenever the phase in is complete)
Now, the question is, since LOA is being "revised" to take into account changes in lifestyle blah de blah de blah, how much is the Cpl's rate going to change by from it's current level ? Any ideas or answers been heard from the Admin world ?
For what it's worth, I'm glad I'm going onto Cpl LOA. Maybe I can afford the fast car's and personalised number plates they all have........
(And is the price difference between Red sauce and Brown sauce being take into account ?
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FFP,
You're joking, right?!
Having seen some estimates for LOA in the US, it's not good news for anybody except Pilot and Flying Officers. A Flt Lt will lose roughly 150 pounds a month. For SNCOs and Senior Officers the decrease is significant, roughly 450 pounds for a WO for example.
We can all debate whether the current rates are excessive and also debate why there has been such a difference between ranks in the past. The fact is that most people live to their means and may have taken on extra financial commitments based on their expected income.
As I've said on another thread, I'm sure the reduction in LOA will receive little sympathy on here however, such a significant overnight cut to the monthly income of many personnel is not something that we should make light of (assuming some of us still care about those that we command and their families?).
WPH
You're joking, right?!
Having seen some estimates for LOA in the US, it's not good news for anybody except Pilot and Flying Officers. A Flt Lt will lose roughly 150 pounds a month. For SNCOs and Senior Officers the decrease is significant, roughly 450 pounds for a WO for example.
We can all debate whether the current rates are excessive and also debate why there has been such a difference between ranks in the past. The fact is that most people live to their means and may have taken on extra financial commitments based on their expected income.
As I've said on another thread, I'm sure the reduction in LOA will receive little sympathy on here however, such a significant overnight cut to the monthly income of many personnel is not something that we should make light of (assuming some of us still care about those that we command and their families?).
WPH
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If you read Mr Hinecap's posts more are relevant than some drivel posted here. Without any MT the aircraft would not move at all. Any flight starts and finishes with MT, even those in muddy fields.
As for public transport, I agree that it is a joke. To move from my last unit to my nearby co-unit 30 miles away would be a day's journey by rail or bus and need a Call-Connect bus at each end.
What the system actually does is relies on the individual's wilingness to use his own car for his own convenience.
I recall one occasion, which I would doubt would happen now, when I requested a rail warrant from out local station 10 miles away. Mrs PN was travelling with me at my expense. We were just about to leave, intending to leave our car at the station, when a Ford Galaxy turned up at our home some 6 miles from the unit, and whisked us both to the station. He was there waiting for us when we returned that evening. The whole thing had been organised through handbrake house.
As for public transport, I agree that it is a joke. To move from my last unit to my nearby co-unit 30 miles away would be a day's journey by rail or bus and need a Call-Connect bus at each end.
What the system actually does is relies on the individual's wilingness to use his own car for his own convenience.
I recall one occasion, which I would doubt would happen now, when I requested a rail warrant from out local station 10 miles away. Mrs PN was travelling with me at my expense. We were just about to leave, intending to leave our car at the station, when a Ford Galaxy turned up at our home some 6 miles from the unit, and whisked us both to the station. He was there waiting for us when we returned that evening. The whole thing had been organised through handbrake house.