How to deal with Somali Pirates
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Don't mess with the Russians
I remember reading somewhere that around the time of Terry Waite and others being kidnapped in Beirut in the mid-late 80s, the local scallies decided it might be a good idea to take a couple of Russians hostage too 
Apparantly the Kremlin wasn't too keen on the idea though and a couple of the locals rapidly became temporary guests of Uncle Boris. Who kindly returned them a few days later, albeit minus a few body parts, but full of useful advice about the wisdom of kidnapping Soviet citizens
The story went that the kidnapped Russians were released immediately along with a grovelling apology and the promise not to do anything quite so silly in future.
And I think that's the way to deal with these pirates - communicate with them in a way they understand. Soft soap and pussy footing round the issue simply isn't working
Apparantly the Kremlin wasn't too keen on the idea though and a couple of the locals rapidly became temporary guests of Uncle Boris. Who kindly returned them a few days later, albeit minus a few body parts, but full of useful advice about the wisdom of kidnapping Soviet citizens
The story went that the kidnapped Russians were released immediately along with a grovelling apology and the promise not to do anything quite so silly in future.
And I think that's the way to deal with these pirates - communicate with them in a way they understand. Soft soap and pussy footing round the issue simply isn't working
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We could always Inter them for 5 years or so without trial , water board them and dress them in orange suits then give them all £1,000,000 each in compensation and Asylum to boot, then they would have no need to commit piracy and we can support them and their families ad infinitum. Great Idea
Or we could just waste them Russian style! Gets my vote
Or we could just waste them Russian style! Gets my vote
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Besides, if we killed all the crew and sunk the vessels, who would ever know? (Apart from the pirate strongholds in Somalia of course (when their ships keep going missing) and they can hardly bleat to the Media can they?)
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Twon, regrettably, hits the nail on the head.
If all of these people disappeared would anybody in the world honestly care. Keep it quiet to avoid offending liberal sensibilities, and then neutralize them all (or as many as can be located) - wherever they may be. There is no negative to this solution, the world is a better place without them. They shall never work nor contribute to improving any part of the world or society, including their own awful part of it. Just kill them and eradicate the problem.
Really, who cares......?
Well the sensationalist press obviously. If the media were not embedded on every ship somewhere hot and with every other fighting unit, I'm pretty sure we would not be in the situation we are now. A message or two would've been sent years ago and this farcical escalation would have been stopped in it's tracks.
If all of these people disappeared would anybody in the world honestly care. Keep it quiet to avoid offending liberal sensibilities, and then neutralize them all (or as many as can be located) - wherever they may be. There is no negative to this solution, the world is a better place without them. They shall never work nor contribute to improving any part of the world or society, including their own awful part of it. Just kill them and eradicate the problem.
Really, who cares......?
Well the sensationalist press obviously. If the media were not embedded on every ship somewhere hot and with every other fighting unit, I'm pretty sure we would not be in the situation we are now. A message or two would've been sent years ago and this farcical escalation would have been stopped in it's tracks.
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So... Are you saying "Shoot all the journos"? Because I'm with you if you are... A bit of the old "What the eye don't see... etc"... would work just fine in that part of the world...
So... Are you saying "Shoot all the journos"? Because I'm with you if you are... A bit of the old "What the eye don't see... etc"... would work just fine in that part of the world...
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Oh dear. I seem to have been hoisted by own petard. Can't really sanction slotting all the journos Airborne Aircrew, like my daily paper too much.
Reminded of the words of Pastor Niemoller, reference the unpleasantness of 1930s and 40s Germany.
"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up"
Sod it. My apologies AA, I seem to have talked myself out of it. First the pirates, then the journos....... Just a bit scared that I may be next.
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Reminded of the words of Pastor Niemoller, reference the unpleasantness of 1930s and 40s Germany.
"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up"
Sod it. My apologies AA, I seem to have talked myself out of it. First the pirates, then the journos....... Just a bit scared that I may be next.
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
I'm a little suprised that the Somarli pirates don't suddenly decide they are all bona fide United Kingdom citizens & thus David Cameron & his cronies will give them vast quantities of money provided by the UK taxpayer.
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US jury finds Somalis guilty of piracy
Since we were talking about this, this was published today in the newspaper.
US jury finds Somalis guilty of piracy
November 25, 2010 - 1:49PM
Five Somalis have been found guilty of piracy for attacking a US vessel in the Indian Ocean, the first US convictions on such charges in nearly two centuries, the Department of Justice said.
A jury in the port city of Norfolk, Virginia, found the men guilty on Wednesday of the April attack on the navy frigate USS Nicholas, which they mistook for a merchant vessel, from a small skiff.
The ruling marks "what is believed to be the first piracy trial conviction in the United States since 1820," the US Department of Justice said in a statement.
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According to trial testimony, the men sailed from Somalia searching for a merchant ship to raid. "They used a larger ship full of supplies, along with two smaller vessels loaded with assault weapons and a rocket propelled grenade (RPG) that served as attack boats," the statement read.
On April 1, three of the suspects boarded one of the smaller vessels "and set out to pirate what they believed to be a merchant ship".
The men opened fire on a ship that turned out to be the Norfolk-based USS Nicholas.
The men were caught when the Nicholas returned fire and chased down their small boat and the mother ship.
The defendants claimed that they were fishermen who had been kidnapped and forced into piracy at gunpoint, and sought to be rescued when they saw the vessel they were facing.
"Does anyone really believe that three guys in an 18-foot (5.5 metre) boat with two AK-47s and an RPG were going to take over a US warship?" asked Jon Babineau, one of the defence lawyers.
Babineau said after the jury ruling that he was "disappointed in a system of justice that is supposed to be based on fairness".
The Somalis were convicted on charges of piracy, attack to plunder a vessel, act of violence against persons on a vessel, assault with a dangerous weapon, assault with a dangerous weapon on federal officers, conspiracy to use firearms during a violent crime, and firearm counts including the use of an RPG.
The convictions on piracy and use of a destructive device (the RPG) both carry a mandatory penalty of life in prison. The other convictions carry additional sentences of between 10 and 25 years prison.
The men will be sentenced on March 14, the Justice Department said.
Warships now patrol the Indian Ocean after a series of spectacular hijackings in the Gulf of Aden propelled Somali piracy to the forefront of international attention in late 2008 and early 2009.
Piracy is a growing problem off the coast of lawless Somalia, with both the number of attacks and the ransoms demanded spiking over the past two years, according to the London-based International Maritime Bureau.
Twenty-three vessels and around 500 crew members are currently held by Somali pirates, the bureau said.
US jury finds Somalis guilty of piracy
November 25, 2010 - 1:49PM
Five Somalis have been found guilty of piracy for attacking a US vessel in the Indian Ocean, the first US convictions on such charges in nearly two centuries, the Department of Justice said.
A jury in the port city of Norfolk, Virginia, found the men guilty on Wednesday of the April attack on the navy frigate USS Nicholas, which they mistook for a merchant vessel, from a small skiff.
The ruling marks "what is believed to be the first piracy trial conviction in the United States since 1820," the US Department of Justice said in a statement.
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According to trial testimony, the men sailed from Somalia searching for a merchant ship to raid. "They used a larger ship full of supplies, along with two smaller vessels loaded with assault weapons and a rocket propelled grenade (RPG) that served as attack boats," the statement read.
On April 1, three of the suspects boarded one of the smaller vessels "and set out to pirate what they believed to be a merchant ship".
The men opened fire on a ship that turned out to be the Norfolk-based USS Nicholas.
The men were caught when the Nicholas returned fire and chased down their small boat and the mother ship.
The defendants claimed that they were fishermen who had been kidnapped and forced into piracy at gunpoint, and sought to be rescued when they saw the vessel they were facing.
"Does anyone really believe that three guys in an 18-foot (5.5 metre) boat with two AK-47s and an RPG were going to take over a US warship?" asked Jon Babineau, one of the defence lawyers.
Babineau said after the jury ruling that he was "disappointed in a system of justice that is supposed to be based on fairness".
The Somalis were convicted on charges of piracy, attack to plunder a vessel, act of violence against persons on a vessel, assault with a dangerous weapon, assault with a dangerous weapon on federal officers, conspiracy to use firearms during a violent crime, and firearm counts including the use of an RPG.
The convictions on piracy and use of a destructive device (the RPG) both carry a mandatory penalty of life in prison. The other convictions carry additional sentences of between 10 and 25 years prison.
The men will be sentenced on March 14, the Justice Department said.
Warships now patrol the Indian Ocean after a series of spectacular hijackings in the Gulf of Aden propelled Somali piracy to the forefront of international attention in late 2008 and early 2009.
Piracy is a growing problem off the coast of lawless Somalia, with both the number of attacks and the ransoms demanded spiking over the past two years, according to the London-based International Maritime Bureau.
Twenty-three vessels and around 500 crew members are currently held by Somali pirates, the bureau said.
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And I think that's the way to deal with these pirates - communicate with them in a way they understand. Soft soap and pussy footing round the issue simply isn't working
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Re. Russian Way of Dealing With Bandits / Pirates / Terrorists.
If its such a great way to deal with naughty people do any of you lot that seem to support their actions fancy going to live in Russia and maybe interacting with Russian law / order and the criminal justice system on a daily basis?
If its such a great way to deal with naughty people do any of you lot that seem to support their actions fancy going to live in Russia and maybe interacting with Russian law / order and the criminal justice system on a daily basis?
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Are you after a bit of thread drift ? All countries have good and bad points
and yes, Russia isn't paradise but we are not in Russia or talking about "living" in country but people who attack others monetary gain in international waters and don't mind how they do it or who they kill in the process.
Along a similar path, here in Aus we have heaps of boat people trying to come in. When the previous PM played hard ball, the numbers dropped. Now we have gone back to softly softly approach, they think we are an easy push over again so numbers increase.
A message needs to be sent in terms like the Russian's and the US did
as it is the only thing they seem to understand - Rule 7.62.
Are you after a bit of thread drift ? All countries have good and bad points
and yes, Russia isn't paradise but we are not in Russia or talking about "living" in country but people who attack others monetary gain in international waters and don't mind how they do it or who they kill in the process.
Along a similar path, here in Aus we have heaps of boat people trying to come in. When the previous PM played hard ball, the numbers dropped. Now we have gone back to softly softly approach, they think we are an easy push over again so numbers increase.
A message needs to be sent in terms like the Russian's and the US did
as it is the only thing they seem to understand - Rule 7.62.
Russian law / order and the criminal justice system on a daily basis?
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Mmm - not really - I feel perfectly safe in HK and have never had any trouble. Petty crime in S.China is something you have to be vigilant for though. Safer in SZ than HK? Ridiculous.
I don't subscribe to offing people willy nilly - you put a bullet in the wrong person after a 15 minute trial and no appeal... I dunno - I think that's wrong. you know like putting a guy whose child suffered from melamine poisoned milk in gaol because he campaigned for full investigations and such like.
And none of you have said 'Yes' to living in Russia. I'm not surprised.
I don't subscribe to offing people willy nilly - you put a bullet in the wrong person after a 15 minute trial and no appeal... I dunno - I think that's wrong. you know like putting a guy whose child suffered from melamine poisoned milk in gaol because he campaigned for full investigations and such like.
And none of you have said 'Yes' to living in Russia. I'm not surprised.
I'm not saying that pirates have to be treated harshly - but some of you do love the 'blow 'em to bits and ask questions afterwards' approach. Which I find strange - I don't know if you serve in the forces - I don't - but my friends that do - strangely are very restrained when it comes to suggesting using force. I guess they've seen what 'force' means.
Great play using the word 'turd' there - took me back to sixth form that did.
Great play using the word 'turd' there - took me back to sixth form that did.
OK - how did the heavy boots work at Beslan?
Not good.
So far some people like the idea of blowing up pirates.
OK - do you think the guys in the plastic boats with the RPG's and AK-47's.
Do you think they are the guys in charge of this?
If you do - lets blow them all up....and wait for the next lot.
If you don't - do you think the situation is simple?
Not good.
So far some people like the idea of blowing up pirates.
OK - do you think the guys in the plastic boats with the RPG's and AK-47's.
Do you think they are the guys in charge of this?
If you do - lets blow them all up....and wait for the next lot.
If you don't - do you think the situation is simple?
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So... Are you saying "Shoot all the journos"? Because I'm with you if you are... A bit of the old "What the eye don't see... etc"... would work just fine in that part of the world...