Old ships - educate me please
All ships incur weight growth through-life and quite often vertical centre of gravity increase as well. -Not a Boffin
You can say that again! One carrier I served in floated one full deck deeper in the water compared with when she was built, and there were very strict rules in force regarding the opening of scuttles which had formerly been well clear of the waterline .....
Jack
You can say that again! One carrier I served in floated one full deck deeper in the water compared with when she was built, and there were very strict rules in force regarding the opening of scuttles which had formerly been well clear of the waterline .....
Jack
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I thought you might like to see how they disposed of my first ship (Berwick)
Type 12 Sinkings
Cheers all
Type 12 Sinkings
Cheers all
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USS Enterprise CVN-65 vs B-52H.
CVN-65 laid down 4 February 1958; launched 24 September 1960; commissioned 25 November 1961.
B-52H first flight 20 July 1960; first delivery of operational aircraft to USAF 9 May 1961; last delivery (102nd "H" model) 26 October 1962.
As the only B-52s in the USAF inventory are "H" models (all earlier ones being scrapped or sitting in desert storage for decades), I'd call it a draw.
CVN-65 laid down 4 February 1958; launched 24 September 1960; commissioned 25 November 1961.
B-52H first flight 20 July 1960; first delivery of operational aircraft to USAF 9 May 1961; last delivery (102nd "H" model) 26 October 1962.
As the only B-52s in the USAF inventory are "H" models (all earlier ones being scrapped or sitting in desert storage for decades), I'd call it a draw.
As the only B-52s in the USAF inventory are "H" models (all earlier ones being scrapped or sitting in desert storage for decades), I'd call it a draw.
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Interesting to read the spec which served to confirm the info on wiki:-
"On 6 June 2005 the Ministry of Defence announced that HMS Invincible would be inactive until 2010, available for reactivation at 18 months' notice. She was decommissioned on 3 August 2005, just 14 months after an extensive modernization/refit (even the propulsion gearboxes were replaced) which had been intended to give her ten more years of service. According to Jane's, however, because she was stripped of some parts for her sisters it would require not only 18 months but also the removal of systems from the other ships to bring her to a state of operational readiness. Invincible was struck off the Naval Reserve List on September 10th, 2010"
BTW the SDR stated that the UK would maintain an Ice Patrol Ship to guard our South Atlantic interests. Until a new one is built (unlikely) or leased (possible but not yet confirmed) HMS Endurance is that ship and she is unlikely to leave Port under her own power again either.
"On 6 June 2005 the Ministry of Defence announced that HMS Invincible would be inactive until 2010, available for reactivation at 18 months' notice. She was decommissioned on 3 August 2005, just 14 months after an extensive modernization/refit (even the propulsion gearboxes were replaced) which had been intended to give her ten more years of service. According to Jane's, however, because she was stripped of some parts for her sisters it would require not only 18 months but also the removal of systems from the other ships to bring her to a state of operational readiness. Invincible was struck off the Naval Reserve List on September 10th, 2010"
BTW the SDR stated that the UK would maintain an Ice Patrol Ship to guard our South Atlantic interests. Until a new one is built (unlikely) or leased (possible but not yet confirmed) HMS Endurance is that ship and she is unlikely to leave Port under her own power again either.
I believe that an announcement is due fairly soon on the new Ice Patrol ship, but while Endurance is broken, Scott is filling the role. I think the UK will find the money to put a new endurance into service.
To be fair on the MOD, the plan was always to pay off Vince in 2010, and its always been clear that this would happen. The real surprise is the loss of Royal 3 years earlier than planned.
To be fair on the MOD, the plan was always to pay off Vince in 2010, and its always been clear that this would happen. The real surprise is the loss of Royal 3 years earlier than planned.
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I hope you are right but my concern, given the current spending environment, is that as HMS Scott has been able to replace Endurance for two Seasons (and without any Lynx helicopters) it might become the Patrol Ship
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If I could figure out how to post an image to PPRuNe I would be able to illustrate
Joint Exercises Trincomalee 1957 (JET '57)
In 1957 I was stationed at RAF China Bay, across the bay from the RN Base at Trincomalee (HMS Highflyer).
Each year the RN, Pakistan & Indian Navy held joint exercises in the Indian Ocean off Trinco together with aircraft from the RAF and Indian Navy. RAF participants in JET '57 were four Sunderlands from 205/209 Sqn detached to China Bay from Seletar. Short Sealands of the Indian Navy and Bristol Freighters of the Pakistani Air Force also participated in the exercise.
Two 205/209 Sqn RAF Sunderlands were dispatched to find and 'attack' the enemy during Joint Exercise Trincomalee '57. I was aboard one which was in formation with Sunderland 'N' RN282 as seen below.
We found and 'attacked' a couple of warships in the Indian Ocean seen here at anchor off the North-East coast of Ceylon (Sri Lanka). This view is from the Sunderland's front gun turret as we 'attacked'. In the foreground is Pakistan Navy ship 'Jhelum' (F-40) formerly 'Narbada' - a Bay or Loch Class Frigate of the Indian Navy allocated to Pakistan on Partition in 1947.
The warship in the background is Pakistan Navy ship "Khaibar" formerly RN Battle Class Destroyer HMS Cadiz. HMS Cadiz (D79) was transferred to the Pakistan Navy in 1956/7 as PNS Khaibar. Smoke can be seen coming from 'Khaibar's' anti-aircraft guns amidships as she fires blanks at us whilst 'Jhelum's' turrets are trained directly on the aircraft.
In 1957 I was stationed at RAF China Bay, across the bay from the RN Base at Trincomalee (HMS Highflyer).
Each year the RN, Pakistan & Indian Navy held joint exercises in the Indian Ocean off Trinco together with aircraft from the RAF and Indian Navy. RAF participants in JET '57 were four Sunderlands from 205/209 Sqn detached to China Bay from Seletar. Short Sealands of the Indian Navy and Bristol Freighters of the Pakistani Air Force also participated in the exercise.
Two 205/209 Sqn RAF Sunderlands were dispatched to find and 'attack' the enemy during Joint Exercise Trincomalee '57. I was aboard one which was in formation with Sunderland 'N' RN282 as seen below.
We found and 'attacked' a couple of warships in the Indian Ocean seen here at anchor off the North-East coast of Ceylon (Sri Lanka). This view is from the Sunderland's front gun turret as we 'attacked'. In the foreground is Pakistan Navy ship 'Jhelum' (F-40) formerly 'Narbada' - a Bay or Loch Class Frigate of the Indian Navy allocated to Pakistan on Partition in 1947.
The warship in the background is Pakistan Navy ship "Khaibar" formerly RN Battle Class Destroyer HMS Cadiz. HMS Cadiz (D79) was transferred to the Pakistan Navy in 1956/7 as PNS Khaibar. Smoke can be seen coming from 'Khaibar's' anti-aircraft guns amidships as she fires blanks at us whilst 'Jhelum's' turrets are trained directly on the aircraft.
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Are you sure it was a D? This link HMS Virago, destroyer says she was an R.
Then to further muddy the water, comes this one HMS Virago
Then even more confusion U+V Class Destroyers
Are you sure it was a D? This link HMS Virago, destroyer says she was an R.
Then to further muddy the water, comes this one HMS Virago
Then even more confusion U+V Class Destroyers