WSOp's/WSO's at Kinloss, what does the future hold?
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Sandy parts we all know that aint going to happen, the training burden to remove a qualified person from the front line and replace them with an untrained, unproven in that field person is much too large to contemplate.
The axe will fall heavily on those at Kinloss, as widger says wake up!
The axe will fall heavily on those at Kinloss, as widger says wake up!
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jayand:
Like what we've been doing for years.
Highly competent and experienced people are constantly being (re)moved from their posts, for a variety of reasons: retirement, forced posting, voluntary posting, medical/compassionate issues, etc. The associated sqn/flt/sect then sorts itself out and a new guy appears from the OCU at approx the same time.
So, while the OCU student places are constantly full, as we all know they are (across the WSOp cadre) people will continue to leave the front line to make room for the new blood.
Here's an example of how a waste of oxygen WSOp in England can find himself redundant in the near future:
Pre SDSR, the WSOp deskies decided to post a solid, competent operator from a rotary sqn in summer 2011 and replace him with an OCU graduate (standard manning practice), while waste of oxygen guy continues cruising in his comfort zone.
Post SDSR, the deskies now decide to keep solid guy on said sqn and boot out the waste of oxygen. At no time does the quality or inexperience of the OCU graduate come into the thinking of the deskie. The current OCU studes are mostly abbos from Cranwell, but within the next 12 months, that incoming stream will be greatly reduced and the WSOPs from Kinloss will fill the OCUs. The deskies will continue to post/move experienced people off the sqns, just like they always have done, except they now have the opportunity to get rid of the deadwood while the OCUs are full of studes.
Ed
the training burden to remove a qualified person from the front line and replace them with an untrained, unproven in that field person is much too large to contemplate.
Highly competent and experienced people are constantly being (re)moved from their posts, for a variety of reasons: retirement, forced posting, voluntary posting, medical/compassionate issues, etc. The associated sqn/flt/sect then sorts itself out and a new guy appears from the OCU at approx the same time.
So, while the OCU student places are constantly full, as we all know they are (across the WSOp cadre) people will continue to leave the front line to make room for the new blood.
Here's an example of how a waste of oxygen WSOp in England can find himself redundant in the near future:
Pre SDSR, the WSOp deskies decided to post a solid, competent operator from a rotary sqn in summer 2011 and replace him with an OCU graduate (standard manning practice), while waste of oxygen guy continues cruising in his comfort zone.
Post SDSR, the deskies now decide to keep solid guy on said sqn and boot out the waste of oxygen. At no time does the quality or inexperience of the OCU graduate come into the thinking of the deskie. The current OCU studes are mostly abbos from Cranwell, but within the next 12 months, that incoming stream will be greatly reduced and the WSOPs from Kinloss will fill the OCUs. The deskies will continue to post/move experienced people off the sqns, just like they always have done, except they now have the opportunity to get rid of the deadwood while the OCUs are full of studes.
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I am disgusted by the attitude of some on this thread. Having worked with many of the Wsop contingency in some not very nice places in the last decade they have always produced the goods- irrespective of the demands placed upon them. Now this particular section of the RAF appear to be in the sights of being made redundant and are rightly-so are concerned. Several peoples reaction to this appears to be "tough luck" (i'm alright and thats all that matters). Whatever happened to playing for your mates? Some on this thread should hang their heads in shame. With that sort of mentality it is you that should be given a P45- we do not need people like that.
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Randomblah/Edsett,
I completely agree with both your previous posts. Yes, the attitude of SOME is shocking and it does disgust me. Edsett has, for me, underlined the way this situation should and hopefully will be sorted.
Reference the above; we are all WSOps/WSOs and if there are a few useless operators(and there are) who think because they are on an operational platform that they are safe from the big R, then think again. This will be across the entire WSOp cadre.
Joe.
I completely agree with both your previous posts. Yes, the attitude of SOME is shocking and it does disgust me. Edsett has, for me, underlined the way this situation should and hopefully will be sorted.
why do WSOps/WSOs from Nimrod feel that the RAF owes them a job on another platform at someone else's expense? If they closed an ABM Unit they wouldn't expect to take over some Air Traffic roles so why should maritime trained WSOps be able to bump people from Sentry, Sentinel or RJ posts?
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I don't think so, yes some useless guys down south should be worried, but any thoughts of it being equally spread amongst the fleets is pure pie in the sky, the majority will go from Kinloss.
Edsett I agree but we are not talking about one or two at a time here, we are talking about large numbers and the Sqn's couldn't afford to loose them at the same time.
Edsett I agree but we are not talking about one or two at a time here, we are talking about large numbers and the Sqn's couldn't afford to loose them at the same time.
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Neptunous Rex
"The Captain of a MPA can sometimes be a position that is probably unique in any military setting, in that he can give orders to a vastly senior naval officer commanding another unit.
Dark Blue did not like that one bit, but how we enjoyed it."
Not very unique actually.
The Observer in a pinger, who may not even be the captain, has the same power when on scene cdr. SF do it all the time. (that is a bit of a guess, because who can tell their rank)
I have had the Captain of Culdrose as my P2 on many occasions.
I do however concur that the PWOs do not like it one bit. My observer made a PWO cry on the net. Ahh happy days........
"The Captain of a MPA can sometimes be a position that is probably unique in any military setting, in that he can give orders to a vastly senior naval officer commanding another unit.
Dark Blue did not like that one bit, but how we enjoyed it."
Not very unique actually.
The Observer in a pinger, who may not even be the captain, has the same power when on scene cdr. SF do it all the time. (that is a bit of a guess, because who can tell their rank)
I have had the Captain of Culdrose as my P2 on many occasions.
I do however concur that the PWOs do not like it one bit. My observer made a PWO cry on the net. Ahh happy days........
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Drove past the mushroom farm this morning. Don't know if it was the Friday afternoon wrap up or just nothing happening airwise anywhere.
Fridays must be difficult as any launch after 0800 is going to impact on happy hour.
Fridays must be difficult as any launch after 0800 is going to impact on happy hour.
BGG
I do believe that there are bigger "drivel servers" on this forum - most of them aged 10 (catch my drift?).
LJ
PS. Mushroom Farm infers E-3D and any take off after 0800hrs would likely land at 1800-1830hrs with a normal 10hr+ sortie - geddit?
I do believe that there are bigger "drivel servers" on this forum - most of them aged 10 (catch my drift?).
LJ
PS. Mushroom Farm infers E-3D and any take off after 0800hrs would likely land at 1800-1830hrs with a normal 10hr+ sortie - geddit?
But there are 6 other posters that felt the need to join in with PN's post before you lambasted him...so it's not that far off the mark.
Anyway, PN is old enough and ugly enough to fight his own battles, but I do think he adds a certain je ne sais quoi to the forum!
LJ
Anyway, PN is old enough and ugly enough to fight his own battles, but I do think he adds a certain je ne sais quoi to the forum!
LJ
"I always confuse the sound of a Sopwith Camel with that of a malodorous runt who is wasting everybody's time." Blackadder
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I can't help but think there would be more of a point to this thread if people on here could actually give some useful input.
It looks like a lot of WSOs and WSOPs are about to find themselves prematurely out of a job in the very near future, through no fault of there own.
I think it would be interesting to hear of potential employment opportunities, be it in or outside the RAF that would be suited to these highly trained and motivated individuals.
This has got to be preferable to people bitching at each other, or the ball bustingly hilarious "go stack shelves at Tesco" or "would you like fries with that type" comments.
Just my 2c worth..
It looks like a lot of WSOs and WSOPs are about to find themselves prematurely out of a job in the very near future, through no fault of there own.
I think it would be interesting to hear of potential employment opportunities, be it in or outside the RAF that would be suited to these highly trained and motivated individuals.
This has got to be preferable to people bitching at each other, or the ball bustingly hilarious "go stack shelves at Tesco" or "would you like fries with that type" comments.
Just my 2c worth..
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PN,
EGXW was NOTAM'ed shut between 1300L & 1600L yesterday for runway repairs, so no not a lot of flying planned! (though other events did take president, if you're not sure why ask someone why we are at BIKINI Amber).
EGXW was NOTAM'ed shut between 1300L & 1600L yesterday for runway repairs, so no not a lot of flying planned! (though other events did take president, if you're not sure why ask someone why we are at BIKINI Amber).
