RN Sub run aground
why is there nothing in the inventory now capable of STOL or carrier operations ?
The Navy have been hoist by their own petard, I would say.
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Was that a 50 percent flash UJ? Why mention SSBN if you knew Astute was an SSN? You could have qualified it yourself. In point of fact Astute should be classed as a SSGN owing to the nature of her cruise missiles. As for hydroplanes, they're retractable for breaking through ice. I don't pretend to be an expert on subs but I know enough to spot a bluffer me old. 
By the way, I worked in op requirements and procurement in the late 90s when the requirement was written for it... Qualification enough to comment??? 
ABTE
By the way, I worked in op requirements and procurement in the late 90s when the requirement was written for it... Qualification enough to comment??? ABTE
I don't pretend to be an expert on subs but I know enough to spot a bluffer me old. By the way, I worked in op requirements and procurement in the late 90s when the requirement was written for it... Qualification enough to comment???
No, not really, especially when you refer to "subs" (yuk!) rather than "submarines, and "it" rather than "her", and certainly not compared with someone who spent so long in a blue suit. So, all in all, you're probably right not to pretend to be an expert ....
Jack
No, not really, especially when you refer to "subs" (yuk!) rather than "submarines, and "it" rather than "her", and certainly not compared with someone who spent so long in a blue suit. So, all in all, you're probably right not to pretend to be an expert ....
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The reason I said I'm not an expert is because I have only spent one night on trafalgar as part of officer training at dartmouth. I have however spent 2 years as a pinger (and I don't mind admitting my past before jets as many FAA FJ guys came from rotary) and made it my business to know as much as I could about them. Considering I was also the sqn cbo and crypto custodian I had up to TS knowledge. Coupled with my time in OR(sea) I think I have my finger on the pulse better than some. 13 years in a blue suit UJ may not be much but the jobs I have done during that time more than qualify me to comment. Please do elaborate on your superior knowledge as an FDO? Either that or take my comments on the chin as nothing I have said is incorrect. 
Oh and a wafu can call a ship or sub whatever he or she likes especially when it winds up the fisheads as you have shown!
Oh and a wafu can call a ship or sub whatever he or she likes especially when it winds up the fisheads as you have shown!
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The reason I said I'm not an expert is because I have only spent one night on trafalgar (sic) as part of officer training at dartmouth (sic).
As much as that? Well, you said it!
As for the rest of your fascinating resume, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", whilst your last sentence merely tends to suggest that you are presumably not FCC.....
Jack
As much as that? Well, you said it!
As for the rest of your fascinating resume, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", whilst your last sentence merely tends to suggest that you are presumably not FCC.....
Jack
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Mods. Please close this thread, or relegate it to Jet Blast where it belongs.
It has nothing to do with aviation.
It has from the start been used for uninformed ridicule and finger pointing, ativities usually frowned upon on PPRuNe, especially as a number of careers are in jeopardy which makes it in particularly bad taste.
It is a pretty minor event in any case, probably on the scale of a taxiing accident in aircraft terms.
Now degenerated further into a petty personal slanging match.
It has nothing to do with aviation.
It has from the start been used for uninformed ridicule and finger pointing, ativities usually frowned upon on PPRuNe, especially as a number of careers are in jeopardy which makes it in particularly bad taste.
It is a pretty minor event in any case, probably on the scale of a taxiing accident in aircraft terms.
Now degenerated further into a petty personal slanging match.
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AB, you are quite right mate. I was getting quite bored of the chief chockhead (UJ). Probably blasted him off a flight deck once on launch and he's never forgiven me.... 
This a Military Aviation forum after all. Sorry. 
ABTE
This a Military Aviation forum after all. Sorry. ABTE
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
But a surfaced submarine is a target and the G in SSGN is an air breathing threat 
Sorry.
ABTE's apology accepted, despite the thoroughly uncalled for rudeness still apparent in his last post towards someone who probably was treading the flight decks of real carriers before he was born.
Thoroughly agree with AB.
Diving now!
Jack
ABTE's apology accepted, despite the thoroughly uncalled for rudeness still apparent in his last post towards someone who probably was treading the flight decks of real carriers before he was born.
Thoroughly agree with AB.
Diving now!
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My apology wasn't aimed at you at all UJ.... Apologise to a chockhead??? 
I'd rather slam large parts of my genitalia in a drawer for several hours! 
PS this is an aircrew forum. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in this forum:Flight/Ground Ops, Crewing and Dispatch - PPRuNe Forums
I'd rather slam large parts of my genitalia in a drawer for several hours! PS this is an aircrew forum. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in this forum:Flight/Ground Ops, Crewing and Dispatch - PPRuNe Forums
ABTE,
No it isn't. Read the banner at the top of the page:
Military Aircrew
A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.
No it isn't. Read the banner at the top of the page:
Military Aircrew
A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
ABTE, odd as it may seem to you but it is an airbreathing threat. It was the G, as in guided missiles, to which I refered. Once launched they are an airbreathing threat and detectable, trackable and interceptible by air defence forces.
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From the Beeb:
Grounded HMS Astute nuclear sub chief loses command
The naval chief in charge of a nuclear-powered submarine which ran aground off the Isle of Skye has been relieved of his command.
HMS Astute was being put through sea trials when it was marooned last month.
Navy officials confirmed that Commander Andy Coles, 47, lost his command of the submarine on Friday.
He is to remain with the Royal Navy and is to be given another post. A final decision has still to be made about whether he will face a court martial.
A Royal Navy spokesman said: "It's an internal administrative matter between Commander Coles and his senior officers."
He added that a new commanding officer of HMS Astute would be appointed in the near future.
The vessel was towed free on 22 October after becoming stuck on a shingle bank for about 10 hours, before the tide began to rise.
The submarine returned to its base at Faslane on the Clyde three days after the incident.
The Navy spokesman said repairs had been completed on the £1bn vessel, but the final cost of the work was still being calculated.
He said: "It will be paid out of the existing MoD budget."
He added a service inquiry into the incident had concluded and its findings were being considered.
The submarine was built by defence giant BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria.
It is the first in a fleet of six which will replace the Trafalgar-class submarine.
Grounded HMS Astute nuclear sub chief loses command
The naval chief in charge of a nuclear-powered submarine which ran aground off the Isle of Skye has been relieved of his command.
HMS Astute was being put through sea trials when it was marooned last month.
Navy officials confirmed that Commander Andy Coles, 47, lost his command of the submarine on Friday.
He is to remain with the Royal Navy and is to be given another post. A final decision has still to be made about whether he will face a court martial.
A Royal Navy spokesman said: "It's an internal administrative matter between Commander Coles and his senior officers."
He added that a new commanding officer of HMS Astute would be appointed in the near future.
The vessel was towed free on 22 October after becoming stuck on a shingle bank for about 10 hours, before the tide began to rise.
The submarine returned to its base at Faslane on the Clyde three days after the incident.
The Navy spokesman said repairs had been completed on the £1bn vessel, but the final cost of the work was still being calculated.
He said: "It will be paid out of the existing MoD budget."
He added a service inquiry into the incident had concluded and its findings were being considered.
The submarine was built by defence giant BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria.
It is the first in a fleet of six which will replace the Trafalgar-class submarine.