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Old 24th Oct 2010, 05:19
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Hmmm.... but it was black smoke!

Oh, yes... the Church of England has to do the opposite of the Catholics... so where for the Vatican Black smoke signals failure to agree on a candidate and White smoke indicates a new Pope has been chosen, for the UK & CoE it should be the reverse?

I get it.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 10:23
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Originally Posted by charliegolf
Since it's a bit late for a 'bead window' moment, would someone explain the crap belching out please. No, not the posts, the smokey stuff from the sub!
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Ripley: [looking at the sub from a window] It's very pretty, Bishop, but what are we looking for?
Bishop: [emergency venting goes off] That's it. Emergency venting.
Hudson: [knows what it is] Ho, that's beautiful, man. Oh man, that that... that just beats it all...
Hicks: How long 'til it blows?
Bishop: Four hours. With a blast radius of 30 kilometers; equal to about 40 megatons.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 12:24
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Cdr Andy Coles's desk at MOD Navy no doubt awaits!!

With apols to Andy Stewart ..

I've just come down from the Isle of Skye
There was a sub up there, high and dry
All the matelots sang 'Och Aye'
Andy, where's our sonar!!

Only pride and the nation's purse were hurt
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 12:42
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Never mind 'sonar' - where was the matelot with the knotted string?
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 13:02
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Maybe a few jobs for our Navs on exchange?

I didn't realise they were painted green aswell as black
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 14:14
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Meedja claiming old charts.

Localised, directional, low power "pinging" parking sensors required. Just remember to pull the fuse when in stealth mode!
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 15:07
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Save the Ruskies millions on ASW technology, just buy a stretch of Scottish coastline and wait.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 15:53
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Meedja claiming old charts.
Do they use paper charts on boats or are the now digital?
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 16:02
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Digital I would think but maybe they cant afford the upgrades.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 17:47
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Do they use paper charts on boats or are the now digital?
With my limited knowledge and vague understanding, the primary charts are not hard copy, but paper is available.

At the risk of stating the obvious, it's difficult to comprehend how a UK submarine could have achieved this. Good design and average command skills, or average design and good command skills should have ensured that this did not occur.

GBP1,000,000,000 of someone's tax money and they managed to get it stuck. Words fail me.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 17:53
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This may have helped.....

OSI Geospatial Signs UK Navy Submarine WECDIS Software Supply Contract - ASDNews

"OSI Geospatial's software was chosen for the UK Royal Navy's most advanced nuclear attack submarine after critical analysis determined that the unique features of ECPINS(R) W (Sub) provide the submariner with a clear tactical advantage in both open ocean as well as the complex littoral battlespace."

...not sure they are as cheap as £1Bn each....
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 17:55
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They should have had a Rating on the casing swinging the lead, eh, Drapes.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 18:03
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Let's, as they say, get real here. The boat has to have been out of control due to some finger trouble during tests and drifted/was blown onto the shoal - is that what they call them?

No doubt the Navy will release more info tomorrow but out of date charts will not be part of the equation. Any takers?
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 18:18
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I seem to remember a local fisherman being interviewed saying the sub was the wrong side of a couple of buoys indicating the problem . . .

Ooops - is port left or right . . . . ?
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 18:46
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I lived up that way in the summers when I was a lad, and the Isle of Skye has been where it is now for some time.

Exactly how far out of date could the charts be?
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 18:57
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For those who have been asking what the smoke was coming out of the top of the fin, I can explain.

What you saw is the exhaust fumes from what is known as the snort exhaust mast. Although the reactor is the primary means of producing power onboard - its nothing more than a posh kettle - there is a fall back to produce electrical power from the diesel generators.

As well as having a snort exhaust mast there is also a need for a snort induction mast to allow air to be induced into the boat as it needs to be able to, if necessary, "snort" submerged.

The point of the DG's is to produce power to essential services. It does not mean, nor do I infer, that the reactor was shut down. It could just as easily mean that the DG's were running, but kept offline.

If you want to know more there is a couple of good photos of the snort masts at

Radio Research Paper - Victoria Class

These are the ex- UK Upholder class diesel/electric boats that the Canadians purchased
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 19:38
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Had anyone been able to answer if she has been "signed" for ?
As all the reports mention she won't officialy be in navy service till next year???

With the way things is going for the MoD, she is probably going to have to be repaired at taxpayers expense !
But fingers crossed it's at contractors expense
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 20:26
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Oh, yes... the Church of England has to do the opposite of the Catholics... so where for the Vatican Black smoke signals failure to agree on a candidate and White smoke indicates a new Pope has been chosen, for the UK & CoE it should be the reverse?

Hmm, so RN = C of E? What if the new Captain is a Catholic?
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 21:54
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With the way things is going for the MoD, she is probably going to have to be repaired at taxpayers expense !
But fingers crossed it's at contractors expense

Why the heck should the Contractor pay?????????
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 22:24
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Because if she is not MoD property yet she's the contractors , till signed on the. Dotted line !
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