Convictions and RAF application
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1. Your propensity to homosexuality (joining the RAF).
2. Conflict issues with authority figures (not taking the advice of a pruner).
3. Latent Alcoholism (the DUI).
2. Conflict issues with authority figures (not taking the advice of a pruner).
3. Latent Alcoholism (the DUI).
I do not wish to hear your thoughts or opinions , especially in light of your extremely limited understanding of the situation.
You always have the option of deleting the thread, of course, if you don't want to read what the nasty Pruners think about you (and on balance it's not favourable) and you could start again, but I somehow doubt if it would pan out very differently a second time.
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Barnstormer, there are a few scenarios where a fail to provide is not essentially linked to an active refusal.
Subject is too pissed to respond, is a favourite.
I am still baffled by the original question. Application can't be stopped by anyone other than the applicant. Of course you can apply, just fill out the forms and post them in.
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I am still baffled by the original question. Application can't be stopped by anyone other than the applicant. Of course you can apply, just fill out the forms and post them in.
Go easy on the bloke. How can you be expected to sensibly make life-changing decisions when you're as p*ssed as a fart? The guy made a big mistake, has paid for it, and should be given the chance to turn a new leaf if he wishes to do so.
I did some pretty cringeworthy things as a teenager, including drink-driving. Anyone who thinks that reflects on my adult personality is a bloody fool and clearly leads a sheltered life.
I did some pretty cringeworthy things as a teenager, including drink-driving. Anyone who thinks that reflects on my adult personality is a bloody fool and clearly leads a sheltered life.
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Stu, the point here is that you are long past being a teenager and have had time to mature.
I did some crazy **** in my teens and early twenties as well, and I've had time to mature. Not neccesarily time well spent, but I've had the time.
The OP isn't long after making his "mistake" so I find it hard to believe he's out of the woods just yet.
Apart from the disclosure rules, the points are still on his licence!
The guy is actually still paying for it, that's the punishment and deterrent part of the sentence.
I did some crazy **** in my teens and early twenties as well, and I've had time to mature. Not neccesarily time well spent, but I've had the time.
The OP isn't long after making his "mistake" so I find it hard to believe he's out of the woods just yet.
Apart from the disclosure rules, the points are still on his licence!
The guy is actually still paying for it, that's the punishment and deterrent part of the sentence.
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Having a conviction for a driving offence - or for failing to provide a sample is low down on the list of reasons for debarring any applicant
for recruitment into the British armed forces - but as already stated earlier it does appear to be a 'buyers market' for the RAF regarding the thousands applying with clean records.
It may deflate some of the pomposity of the 'officer and gentleman' brigade to be reminded that Lt Gen Sir David Richards on taking up his appointment is on record for being greatly concerned at the number of Officers under his command involved in 'Fiddling and Pilfering'.
Off thread a little it may give some encouragment to know that our bastions of law and order have some 1000 police 'officers' currently serving with criminal records - including offences for dishonesty - this may give the original poster further hope.
I wish him well
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Having a conviction for a driving offence - or for failing to provide a sample is low down on the list of reasons for debarring any applicant
for recruitment into the British armed forces - but as already stated earlier it does appear to be a 'buyers market' for the RAF regarding the thousands applying with clean records.
It may deflate some of the pomposity of the 'officer and gentleman' brigade to be reminded that Lt Gen Sir David Richards on taking up his appointment is on record for being greatly concerned at the number of Officers under his command involved in 'Fiddling and Pilfering'.
Off thread a little it may give some encouragment to know that our bastions of law and order have some 1000 police 'officers' currently serving with criminal records - including offences for dishonesty - this may give the original poster further hope.
I wish him well
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From the Met's Recruitment site.
COULD cast DOUBT....!
WTF?
Character
Police officer is a position of responsibility and trust, given only to law-abiding people with proven character and integrity. As such, while consideration will be given to the circumstances, any previous criminal convictions could cast doubt on your suitability for the role.
Police officer is a position of responsibility and trust, given only to law-abiding people with proven character and integrity. As such, while consideration will be given to the circumstances, any previous criminal convictions could cast doubt on your suitability for the role.
COULD cast DOUBT....!
WTF?
Forgive me if memory is playing tricks with me, but as I recall it, when the drink driving laws were reinforced in the early 70's, with an automatic ban for a drink-driving conviction, it was made known to us that any officer who was thus convicted could say cheerio there and then to his commission and his career (including pension). I also recall that the first officer to suffer this fate was a one-star (medic or something?)
Now I may have dreamt all this, but there are plenty of guys on here who were around at that time, so have I got it right? If I have, and we are now accepting people who already have this conviction on their record, then times really have changed.
Now I may have dreamt all this, but there are plenty of guys on here who were around at that time, so have I got it right? If I have, and we are now accepting people who already have this conviction on their record, then times really have changed.
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Long ago ina Galaxy far away....
Maybe different for Ossifers, but at Valley in 1974 I was a provisional licence holder and regularly drove Rover 1 on the airfield while waiting for my driving course at St. Athan.
One of my duties was to attend at the Runway Caravan with a controller and take Corporal Brown to the Tower for his mid morning constitutional crap as he was disqualified for drink driving and was therefore not permitted to drive the Caravan or the Rover. The fact that I was not permitted either was overlooked in the expedient way of how we did things then.
Eventually Dickie got his licence back and I was able to, sort of, hold the fort in the Caravan while he took "my" Rover to the tower and back.
One of my duties was to attend at the Runway Caravan with a controller and take Corporal Brown to the Tower for his mid morning constitutional crap as he was disqualified for drink driving and was therefore not permitted to drive the Caravan or the Rover. The fact that I was not permitted either was overlooked in the expedient way of how we did things then.
Eventually Dickie got his licence back and I was able to, sort of, hold the fort in the Caravan while he took "my" Rover to the tower and back.
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Barnstormer,
There are two offences under the road traffic act which an officer may use in relation to a drink driver. Section 5 driving with excess alcohol is the offence which relates to the use of roadside breath screening devices. An officer may request such a test following an RTC, a moving traffic offence or if they suspect the driver to have consumed alcohol. It's fair to say that drivers in the wee small hours may be stopped and asked to provide more often for the obvious reasons you've already identified. In this respect Policing is very similar to fishing.
Section 4 is driving whilst unfit. Where a person is obviously under the influence of drink or drugs an officer will arrest without a breath test. For example, where a driver falls out of the car, crawls on all fours to the officer and vomits on their shoes whilst declaring their undying love for all humanity. I'm sure you'd agree a breath test would be a little pointless in such circumstances.
As for Matty, of course there may always be exceptional circumstances why someone may fail to provide but after 22 years of the road traffic act most of these have been explored and dealt with and there is the small matter that the Magistrates clearly didn't find it a good enough reason.
Still, daft mistakes are daft mistakes. I managed to get a caution for nicking a bike as a youth and it didn't stop me joining the mob then serving with two Police forces. It wasn't the reason I failed OASC either! (That would be my absolute inability to add more than two and two.)
There are two offences under the road traffic act which an officer may use in relation to a drink driver. Section 5 driving with excess alcohol is the offence which relates to the use of roadside breath screening devices. An officer may request such a test following an RTC, a moving traffic offence or if they suspect the driver to have consumed alcohol. It's fair to say that drivers in the wee small hours may be stopped and asked to provide more often for the obvious reasons you've already identified. In this respect Policing is very similar to fishing.
Section 4 is driving whilst unfit. Where a person is obviously under the influence of drink or drugs an officer will arrest without a breath test. For example, where a driver falls out of the car, crawls on all fours to the officer and vomits on their shoes whilst declaring their undying love for all humanity. I'm sure you'd agree a breath test would be a little pointless in such circumstances.
As for Matty, of course there may always be exceptional circumstances why someone may fail to provide but after 22 years of the road traffic act most of these have been explored and dealt with and there is the small matter that the Magistrates clearly didn't find it a good enough reason.
Still, daft mistakes are daft mistakes. I managed to get a caution for nicking a bike as a youth and it didn't stop me joining the mob then serving with two Police forces. It wasn't the reason I failed OASC either! (That would be my absolute inability to add more than two and two.)
Lt Gen Sir David Richards on taking up his appointment is on record for being greatly concerned at the number of Officers under his command involved in 'Fiddling and Pilfering'
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Now most of it is for employees but the article does imply that it also includes job applicants. Therefore, it could mean that if one was refused a position because of a conviction, the employer could be accused of discriminating them against someone who does not.
The whole thing sounds a crock of sh*te but it was drawn up by the previous incumbents. Shame on the present lot for going ahead with it.
A big can of worm will be opening shortly I think.
Now most of it is for employees but the article does imply that it also includes job applicants. Therefore, it could mean that if one was refused a position because of a conviction, the employer could be accused of discriminating them against someone who does not.
The whole thing sounds a crock of sh*te but it was drawn up by the previous incumbents. Shame on the present lot for going ahead with it.
A big can of worm will be opening shortly I think.
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If I were you, I would ignore the barrack-room lawyers and holier-than-thou types on here. Then delete this thread, by editing/deleting your first post. Then put in your application, hiding nothing thereupon.
Good luck
If I were you, I would ignore the barrack-room lawyers and holier-than-thou types on here. Then delete this thread, by editing/deleting your first post. Then put in your application, hiding nothing thereupon.
Good luck
Maybe different for Ossifers, but at Valley in 1974 I was a provisional licence holder and regularly drove Rover 1 on the airfield while waiting for my driving course at St. Athan.
Which sort of brings us back to the original point. With the RAF shrinking rapidly and queues for commissions stretching round the block, is there any point in accepting anything other than the very highest standards? And if that makes me sound holier than thou, Shy Torque, I guess I'll just have to live with it.
Actually Really Annoyed I think you have a great future in recruiting, as in fact I was a rock-ape before I was a navigator. I regret to say, however, that years in the back of a Victor have left me with a back which is unable to bend sufficiently for me to drag my knuckles on the floor. And I really must watch out for those conjunctions at the beginnings of sentences (oops). As for my name, it is one of those with several variations in spelling, so fortunately I usually have a fair chance of getting it right.
Any vacancies in the Regiment at the moment?
Any vacancies in the Regiment at the moment?
I know, I know, don't rub it in. When I was OC Regiment Flight at Kai Tak I used to dream of being a clerk at Innsworth, and later on when we were weekending in Las Vegas after taking a Jaguar to Nellis I envied those guys walking the perimeter at Scampton with an alsatian. Ah well - things that might have been 
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Forgive me if memory is playing tricks with me,...Now I may have dreamt all this, but there are plenty of guys on here who were around at that time, so have I got it right? If I have, and we are now accepting people who already have this conviction on their record, then times really have changed.
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Whereas these days it is perfectly ok to both retain your commission and avoid jail even after your 3rd offence.
Truly I know of at least one currently commisioned RAF officer who is a serial convicted drunk driver and should be jailed for it.
CS
Truly I know of at least one currently commisioned RAF officer who is a serial convicted drunk driver and should be jailed for it.
CS