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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 20th May 2018, 09:21
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Originally Posted by George K Lee View Post
Someone just stepped on his own Woody Johnson...

Less NHS, more F-35s. Holy ****, dude.

Comments already being enthusiastically re-reported by RT and Sputnik.


"Mr Johnson also described the F-35 Lightning programme, which Britain has a 25 per cent stake in, as "very, very interesting".

That is correct.
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Old 20th May 2018, 11:51
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Originally Posted by George K Lee View Post
Someone just stepped on his own Woody Johnson...

Less NHS, more F-35s. Holy ****, dude.

Comments already being enthusiastically re-reported by RT and Sputnik.
Your interpretation.

​​​​​​​Not sure that that is what he said.
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Old 20th May 2018, 12:24
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
As others have noted, it depends on how you define 'contested', but I can attest to the KC-46 being designed to be able to withstand some battle damage. For example, those wire separation requirements that tripped up Boeing so badly were related to ballistic penetration - holes of a certain diameter were not allowed to take out redundant systems.

The soviets nee Russians have a demonstrated ability to take out Boeings...


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Old 21st May 2018, 23:24
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House lawmaker introduces bill to halt F-35 sale to Turkey

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Old 22nd May 2018, 08:48
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
The soviets nee Russians have a demonstrated ability to take out Boeings...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M...le_Impact.webm

Thought the Russians disputed responsibility for that one....
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Old 22nd May 2018, 13:22
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Usual caveats apply :

"The F-35 just made its combat debut"


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Old 22nd May 2018, 18:38
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
"Mr Johnson also described the F-35 Lightning programme, which Britain has a 25 per cent stake in, as "very, very interesting".

That is correct.
25%. Are you sure. Seems high given we are told that UK aerospace industry gets 15% of each sale. Not sure if this applies to F35 with the LiftFan or is a generic figure.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 20:53
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Buster15,

Seeing as in addition to the manufacturing bit we have a large number of design folk on the project spread around airframe, engine and systems, 25% overall seems a about right.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 07:52
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https://www.stripes.com/news/us/navy...tance-1.528359

HASC: F-35C lacks the range to strike enemy targets

WASHINGTON (Tribune News Service) — The Navy’s newest fighter jet, the stealthy F-35C, may not have the range it needs to strike enemy targets, the House Armed Services Committee said in a new report, raising troubling questions about whether the multibillion-dollar program is already outpaced by threats. And critics say the Navy fighter — part of the Joint Strike Fighter initiative, the most expensive weapons program in history — may actually have been out of date years ago.

The committee’s conclusion, buried in the 606-page report on the fiscal 2019 defense authorization bill, is confirmation from lawmakers who support the jet program that the aircraft carrier-based version of the F-35 may not have enough effective range without refueling to function well in likely future wars. “While the introduction of the F-35C will significantly expand stealth capabilities, the F-35C could require increased range to address necessary targets,” the report states.

The reason, experts say, is that the aircraft carriers from which the F-35Cs would operate may be required to sail too far away from enemies to avoid their increasingly long-range missiles.

The committee does not want to stop buying F-35Cs, but instead wants to start also buying new sorts of warplanes. “After billions of dollars have been spent on the F-35C, but before the first aircraft are ready to deploy, lawmakers are already looking at the next carrier-based aircraft,” said Bryan Clark, a former Navy strategist now at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

Dan Grazier, of the Project on Government Oversight, said the House directive “highlights just how poorly conceived the Joint Strike Fighter program has been from the very beginning.” “The issue of anti-ship cruise missiles is not a new one,” he said. “The complexity of the F-35 program has dragged out the design process to nearly 20 years, which means we are not keeping pace with emerging threats.”.......

The fact that the F-35C’s limited radius may reduce its operational utility has received little public attention. Radius is less of an issue for the Air Force because the service has long-range bombers and can reserve F-35As for shorter-range missions, Clark said. For the Marine Corps, the F-35B is a significant upgrade over the AV-8B Harriers now in the fleet.

The committee’s report directs the Navy secretary to brief the Armed Services panels by January 2019 on options, including manned and unmanned aircraft that would “expand the strike range of a carrier air wing in a contested environment.” That could include “developing a stealth tanker capability, improved engine technology or to develop and procure a strike capability that is purposely built to strike at increased range.”........


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Old 23rd May 2018, 09:30
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Originally Posted by Rhino power View Post
People's opinion of the F-35 notwithstanding, this is some nice footage of a Dutch F-35A wazzing about, I mean it even banks as if to turn!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW9_e-Uxo9g&feature=share

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Of course it looks impressive until you notice that in almost every pass it was in reheat. I have watched many similar video of Typhoon or Tornado and they are similarly impressive while in dry power.
A stealth fighter in reheat now that makes sense.....
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Old 23rd May 2018, 16:12
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Of course it looks impressive until you notice that in almost every pass it was in reheat. I have watched many similar video of Typhoon or Tornado and they are similarly impressive while in dry power.
A stealth fighter in reheat now that makes sense.....
What an odd comment!

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Old 23rd May 2018, 16:54
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may not have enough effective range without refueling to function well in likely future wars.
Hmm. Since current doctrine includes the use of air to air refueling, and has for about 50 years, I am not sure what this statement is intended to convey. My guess is that the seeds are being sown to fund a more robust organic air to air refueling capability, which has been a bit of a running sore since the KA-6 family of tankers were retired. (Memory is not helping, but I think the S-3B did refueling for some years ... ) ...
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Old 23rd May 2018, 17:17
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Funding for a stealthy follow on to the MQ-25 Stingray (which LM is already pushing) and for development funding for the F/A-XX.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 20:27
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What an odd comment!

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Old 23rd May 2018, 21:34
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And your point is?

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Old 25th May 2018, 00:37
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Thought the Russians disputed responsibility for that one....
Really??

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Old 26th May 2018, 19:46
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http://www.defensenews.com/congress/...ops-f-35-sale/

Turkey threatens retaliation if new bill stops F-35 sale
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Old 26th May 2018, 20:04
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Reference IR detection.....

How the Navy's New Block III Super Hornet Could Crush China's J-20 or Russia's Su-57 | The National Interest Blog

Sounds good against a single target, it as soon as you get multiple targets with the same signature you get multiple false locations. Vague relocation that the old UKADGE passive radar detection system had all sorts of ways to eliminate them (for electronic jammers, not IR) using hyperbolic lays etc - but there were always dozens of them when it was exercised.
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Old 26th May 2018, 20:55
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
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Turkey threatens retaliation if new bill stops F-35 sale
If Turkey’s recent actions are anything to go by they have already committed to buying the Russian missile system despite warning that this might jeopardise the F-35 deal.

If they are that dismissive about valid US/NATO/F-35 Consortium security concerns, then they are simply displaying exactly why they should not be allowed access.
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Old 28th May 2018, 12:12
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If Turkey’s recent actions are anything to go by they have already committed to buying the Russian missile system despite warning that this might jeopardise the F-35 deal.
If they are that dismissive about valid US/NATO/F-35 Consortium security concerns, then they are simply displaying exactly why they should not be allowed access.
Their attitude in general, when they can't get what they want from the west, is to cuddle up to the east and vice versa. They trade one side off against the other so they don't have to be anyone's poodle. On the F-35 it's the Americans who need to sell them much more, I think (but I admit I'm no expert), than Turkey needs to buy them.
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