F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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Um....It's a time-lapse....you know, to view fins deploying and bomb separation characteristics without needing video or multiple photos.
Having a 'dull day' Glad Rag? Or do you really think the LM PR machine wants the world to think there's 15 bombs inside?!!! 😜
Back of the class for you....
Having a 'dull day' Glad Rag? Or do you really think the LM PR machine wants the world to think there's 15 bombs inside?!!! 😜
Back of the class for you....
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Where's Wally - 12 F-35Bs USS America 18 Nov 2016
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More grist for the mill from the Aviationist:
The combined F-35 fleet now has over 75,000 flight hours, yet many continue to question the performance and value of the aircraft. Much of this can be expected given early program challenges, and the reality that many of the F-35s capabilities are classified. Add that many do not grasp the war the F-35 was designed to deter – or fight. 21st century warfare and capability has about as much in common with wars of the past as your 1970s land line has to your smartphone. It is in this “smartphone” battlespace that the F-35 is designed to fight and to do so with a distinctly unfair advantage.
To understand the significance and value of the F-35, cut through the complexity and noise. Simplify. Put aside the politicians “it does not work!” the ideologues, the self-proclaimed experts and listen to the voice of the pilots. The pilots will take the aircraft into combat, their own lives in the balance as they penetrate contested space and are wildly outnumbered by adversary aircraft.
The Aviationist and a handful of journalists recently had the opportunity to visit with four such pilots during a “Proof of Concept” demonstration on the USS America, Nov. 19, 2016. The four pilots are some of the most experienced F-35B pilots in the United States Marine Corps (USMC) and their previous experience provides valuable context to their statements.
To understand the significance and value of the F-35, cut through the complexity and noise. Simplify. Put aside the politicians “it does not work!” the ideologues, the self-proclaimed experts and listen to the voice of the pilots. The pilots will take the aircraft into combat, their own lives in the balance as they penetrate contested space and are wildly outnumbered by adversary aircraft.
The Aviationist and a handful of journalists recently had the opportunity to visit with four such pilots during a “Proof of Concept” demonstration on the USS America, Nov. 19, 2016. The four pilots are some of the most experienced F-35B pilots in the United States Marine Corps (USMC) and their previous experience provides valuable context to their statements.
- George “Sack” Rowell, Commanding Officer (CO) of VMX-1 (Marine Operational Test & Evaluation Squadron). Prior to the F-35, Rowell spent appx. 3000 hours over 18 years of flying the F/A-18 Hornet. Previously the CO of VMFA(AW)-533
- Col. Chad “Mo” Vaughn, CO of VMFA-211. Prior to the F-35, Vaughn spent a couple 1000 hrs over 13 years in the F/A-18A-D Hornet, as well as time in the F-16A-B Fighting Falcon/Viper and F/A-18 Super Hornet at NAS Fallon.
- Col. Rich “BC” Rusnok, slated to become the CO of VMFA-121 in March 2017. Prior to the F-35, Price spent appx. 7 years flying the AV-8B Harrier II with additional time in the F/A-18 Hornet.
- Col. John “Guts” Price, slated CO for VFMA-122 (2018). Prior to the F-35, Price spent appx. 1200 hrs and 10 years flying the AV-8B Harrier II, and has about 400 hrs in the F-35 over the past 3 years.
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The most experienced USMC F-35B pilots speak about their aircraft. And they say it’s exceptional.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Lord how time flies, 10 years next Thursday since the F-35 first flight. What a lot it has done since then......
Alert 5 » 10 years ago this month, Jon Beesley took the F-35 into the air for the first time - Military Aviation News
Alert 5 » 10 years ago this month, Jon Beesley took the F-35 into the air for the first time - Military Aviation News
...Typhoon
1972: Air Staff Target 396 (AST-396) issued for a STOVL aircraft to replace the Harrier and Jaguar fleets. AST-403, specification revised for an air superiority fighter. STOVL requirement dropped and AST-409 led to development of Harrier GR5.
Mid-1970s: France, Germany and UK initiated the European Combat Aircraft (ECA) programme
1979: Following differing requirements (particularly French requirement for carrier compatibility,) BAe and MBB proposed the European Combat Fighter (ECF).
27 Mar 1994 (22 years after initial AST): First flight.
21 Nov 2002 (8 years after first flight): Spanish twin-seat Typhoon prototype DA-6 crashed owing to double engine flameout.
1 Apr 2006 (12 years after first flight): No.3 Sqn RAF (first operational RAF Typhoon squadron) formed.
29 Mar 2007 (13 years after first flight): No.11 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
23 Apr 2008: RAF Typhoon written off after wheels-up landing at China Lake.
24 Aug 2010: Spanish Typhoon crashed after take-off with one fatality.
6 Sep 2010 (16 years after first flight): No.6 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
15 Sep 2012 (18 years after first flight): No.1 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
9 Jun 2014: Spanish Typhoon crashed on landing with one fatality.
9 Jan 2015 (21 years after first flight): No.2 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
2017 (23 years after first flight): Continued integration, trial and certification of outstanding weapons systems.
1972: Air Staff Target 396 (AST-396) issued for a STOVL aircraft to replace the Harrier and Jaguar fleets. AST-403, specification revised for an air superiority fighter. STOVL requirement dropped and AST-409 led to development of Harrier GR5.
Mid-1970s: France, Germany and UK initiated the European Combat Aircraft (ECA) programme
1979: Following differing requirements (particularly French requirement for carrier compatibility,) BAe and MBB proposed the European Combat Fighter (ECF).
27 Mar 1994 (22 years after initial AST): First flight.
21 Nov 2002 (8 years after first flight): Spanish twin-seat Typhoon prototype DA-6 crashed owing to double engine flameout.
1 Apr 2006 (12 years after first flight): No.3 Sqn RAF (first operational RAF Typhoon squadron) formed.
29 Mar 2007 (13 years after first flight): No.11 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
23 Apr 2008: RAF Typhoon written off after wheels-up landing at China Lake.
24 Aug 2010: Spanish Typhoon crashed after take-off with one fatality.
6 Sep 2010 (16 years after first flight): No.6 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
15 Sep 2012 (18 years after first flight): No.1 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
9 Jun 2014: Spanish Typhoon crashed on landing with one fatality.
9 Jan 2015 (21 years after first flight): No.2 Sqn RAF stood up with Typhoons.
2017 (23 years after first flight): Continued integration, trial and certification of outstanding weapons systems.
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Um....It's a time-lapse....you know, to view fins deploying and bomb separation characteristics without needing video or multiple photos.
Having a 'dull day' Glad Rag? Or do you really think the LM PR machine wants the world to think there's 15 bombs inside?!!! 😜
Back of the class for you....
Having a 'dull day' Glad Rag? Or do you really think the LM PR machine wants the world to think there's 15 bombs inside?!!! 😜
Back of the class for you....
What it IS is a montage/'shopped of individual raw images from a video file, ie NOT what they described it as..ergo such as the aircraft itself..it's a common technique (now) used to produce a still image from a video file.
https://youtu.be/4ufHUsr5jB0.
Agreed. Ten years and over 75,000 hours on all three 5th generation variants, without any significant accidents or incidents, flying from airfields and ships with full payloads. USAF and USMC IOC achieved and USN IOC expected within the next year. Pretty impressive, even when compared with the less complex single (land) variant 4.5 generation Typhoon...
The first operational RAF F-35B squadron (No.617 Sqn RAF) is due to stand up at RAF Marham in 2019 (11 years after first flight). I haven't found a date for 809 Naval Air Squadron.
Over 200 F-35s have been built to date and this figure is expected to exceed 600 (with the consequent reduction in unit cost/price) by 2020, including 180 for US partner nations:
...Lockheed Martin has already developed the plans to implement the increased production rate, but is open to new techniques that may identify improvements in the current plan.
"Lockheed Martin plans to increase their F-35 production rate by about four and a half times from their current rate," Banerjee said. "The plan is to increase the production rate in stages over the next few quarters."...
"Lockheed Martin plans to increase their F-35 production rate by about four and a half times from their current rate," Banerjee said. "The plan is to increase the production rate in stages over the next few quarters."...
(Are you always this desperate to find some cloud associated with every silver lining or is it just where the F-35 is concerned?
)Merry Christmas.
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60 year service life? pull the other one..
Ah, that's what the low g limits are for then....Anyway
Trump Slams 'Out Of Control' F-35
by Lara Seligman
Lara Seligman
Dec 11, 2016
Donald Trump left the collective defense community quaking in its boots last week after he threatened to cancel Boeing's new Air Force one. Now he's going after another massive aerospace firm, slamming Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for "out of control" costs.
"Look at the F-35 program with the money, the hundreds of billions of dollars," Trump said on Fox news Dec. 11. "It's out of control."
If the president-elect is looking to cut costs or send a message to defense contractors, the $100 million-a-copy JSF is a huge target. The program has succeeded in bringing costs down for the past few years, but is still haunted by a critical cost breach in 2010. The Pentagon's most recent estimate pegs the cost to operate and sustain the F-35 fleet over its 60-year service life is just over a trillion dollars.
Trump also appeared to double down on his recent proposal to ban defense contractors from hiring former Pentagon acquisition officials, criticizing the industry's revolving door.
"The people that are making these deals for the government, they should never be allowed to go to work for these companies," Trump said on Fox. "You know, they make a deal like that and two or three years later, you see them working for these big companies that made the deal... they should have a lifetime restriction."
Trump first floated the potential lifetime ban during a rally in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, last week, according to Reuters.
Trump's remarks come just days after Northrop Grumman named recently retired Gen. Mark Welsh, who served as U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff last year when it selected the company to build the next-generation stealth bomber, to its board of directors.
There are rules restricting what government employees can do if they move to industry, but they do not prohibit Welsh from joining Northrop, says Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek. Welsh had no involvement in the source selection process for the new bomber or the decision to award the contract to Northrop, she stressed.
Trump Slams 'Out Of Control' F-35
by Lara Seligman
Lara Seligman
Dec 11, 2016
Donald Trump left the collective defense community quaking in its boots last week after he threatened to cancel Boeing's new Air Force one. Now he's going after another massive aerospace firm, slamming Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for "out of control" costs.
"Look at the F-35 program with the money, the hundreds of billions of dollars," Trump said on Fox news Dec. 11. "It's out of control."
If the president-elect is looking to cut costs or send a message to defense contractors, the $100 million-a-copy JSF is a huge target. The program has succeeded in bringing costs down for the past few years, but is still haunted by a critical cost breach in 2010. The Pentagon's most recent estimate pegs the cost to operate and sustain the F-35 fleet over its 60-year service life is just over a trillion dollars.
Trump also appeared to double down on his recent proposal to ban defense contractors from hiring former Pentagon acquisition officials, criticizing the industry's revolving door.
"The people that are making these deals for the government, they should never be allowed to go to work for these companies," Trump said on Fox. "You know, they make a deal like that and two or three years later, you see them working for these big companies that made the deal... they should have a lifetime restriction."
Trump first floated the potential lifetime ban during a rally in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, last week, according to Reuters.
Trump's remarks come just days after Northrop Grumman named recently retired Gen. Mark Welsh, who served as U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff last year when it selected the company to build the next-generation stealth bomber, to its board of directors.
There are rules restricting what government employees can do if they move to industry, but they do not prohibit Welsh from joining Northrop, says Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek. Welsh had no involvement in the source selection process for the new bomber or the decision to award the contract to Northrop, she stressed.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
I'm just very cynical about the schedule based on the record so far.
For what it's worth, UK IOC is budgeted for Dec 2018 and FOC for Apr 2023.
See below, page 98.
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/up...ary-sheets.pdf
For what it's worth, UK IOC is budgeted for Dec 2018 and FOC for Apr 2023.
See below, page 98.
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/up...ary-sheets.pdf
Somebody needs to brief Mr Trump on the more than 100 Congressional districts that are involved in F-35 work.
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
I hope the irony of criticizing the revolving door system is not lost on the President Elect after his cabinet nominations. Clearing the swamp by hiring those who pollute it the most is a bold strategy.
"Somebody needs to brief Mr Trump on the more than 100 Congressional districts that are involved in F-35 work."
I get that this is what politicians care about, but I'd rather he cares about what truly matters, the combat effectiveness and necessity for the airplane. I have no idea what he really cares about, except the worship and praise from others. He may occasionally stumble on a good idea and make a good decision - we'll see if he follows up on any of them.
I get that this is what politicians care about, but I'd rather he cares about what truly matters, the combat effectiveness and necessity for the airplane. I have no idea what he really cares about, except the worship and praise from others. He may occasionally stumble on a good idea and make a good decision - we'll see if he follows up on any of them.
Well, the House is where the money is raised for things that get bought. What they care about informs their decision process.
Aye. Wouldn't it be nice if that was the prime consideration?
It's anybody's guess what will be important, and when. I am not sure he knows until he wakes up each morning. It's going to be entertaining, at least in the short term.
I'd rather he cares about what truly matters, the combat effectiveness and necessity for the airplane.
I have no idea what he really cares about, except the worship and praise from others.
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"What truly matters....combat effectiveness..." Yes and no; are you saying money really is no object? Full marks to the Donald for laying it down on value for money. Of course actually making those savings is never so easy.
Ah, that's what the low g limits are for then....Anyway
Trump Slams 'Out Of Control' F-35
by Lara Seligman
Lara Seligman
Dec 11, 2016
Donald Trump left the collective defense community quaking in its boots last week after he threatened to cancel Boeing's new Air Force one. Now he's going after another massive aerospace firm, slamming Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for "out of control" costs.
"Look at the F-35 program with the money, the hundreds of billions of dollars," Trump said on Fox news Dec. 11. "It's out of control."
If the president-elect is looking to cut costs or send a message to defense contractors, the $100 million-a-copy JSF is a huge target. The program has succeeded in bringing costs down for the past few years, but is still haunted by a critical cost breach in 2010. The Pentagon's most recent estimate pegs the cost to operate and sustain the F-35 fleet over its 60-year service life is just over a trillion dollars.
Trump also appeared to double down on his recent proposal to ban defense contractors from hiring former Pentagon acquisition officials, criticizing the industry's revolving door.
"The people that are making these deals for the government, they should never be allowed to go to work for these companies," Trump said on Fox. "You know, they make a deal like that and two or three years later, you see them working for these big companies that made the deal... they should have a lifetime restriction."
Trump first floated the potential lifetime ban during a rally in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, last week, according to Reuters.
Trump's remarks come just days after Northrop Grumman named recently retired Gen. Mark Welsh, who served as U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff last year when it selected the company to build the next-generation stealth bomber, to its board of directors.
There are rules restricting what government employees can do if they move to industry, but they do not prohibit Welsh from joining Northrop, says Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek. Welsh had no involvement in the source selection process for the new bomber or the decision to award the contract to Northrop, she stressed.
Trump Slams 'Out Of Control' F-35
by Lara Seligman
Lara Seligman
Dec 11, 2016
Donald Trump left the collective defense community quaking in its boots last week after he threatened to cancel Boeing's new Air Force one. Now he's going after another massive aerospace firm, slamming Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for "out of control" costs.
"Look at the F-35 program with the money, the hundreds of billions of dollars," Trump said on Fox news Dec. 11. "It's out of control."
If the president-elect is looking to cut costs or send a message to defense contractors, the $100 million-a-copy JSF is a huge target. The program has succeeded in bringing costs down for the past few years, but is still haunted by a critical cost breach in 2010. The Pentagon's most recent estimate pegs the cost to operate and sustain the F-35 fleet over its 60-year service life is just over a trillion dollars.
Trump also appeared to double down on his recent proposal to ban defense contractors from hiring former Pentagon acquisition officials, criticizing the industry's revolving door.
"The people that are making these deals for the government, they should never be allowed to go to work for these companies," Trump said on Fox. "You know, they make a deal like that and two or three years later, you see them working for these big companies that made the deal... they should have a lifetime restriction."
Trump first floated the potential lifetime ban during a rally in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, last week, according to Reuters.
Trump's remarks come just days after Northrop Grumman named recently retired Gen. Mark Welsh, who served as U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff last year when it selected the company to build the next-generation stealth bomber, to its board of directors.
There are rules restricting what government employees can do if they move to industry, but they do not prohibit Welsh from joining Northrop, says Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek. Welsh had no involvement in the source selection process for the new bomber or the decision to award the contract to Northrop, she stressed.
( I will hold onto my photos (for dear life ) from RIAT as it be the one time opportunity to see 5 airframes altogether..)
cheers
