F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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Likewise with the F-35. I don't really like its looks, but I suspect it will work out in the end.
re: looks aren't everything......
Well, that's what I told my wife. She said they are everything, if that's all you've got.
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looks aren't everything......
I'm guessing agile in the sense of energy manoeuvrability. In my book that includes turn rate/radius/g, climb, accel. All good for missile energy at launch and missile defence. Did I mention that before? Sorry.
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Define agility Ken.
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Wasn't there a time when some bright spark announced that every battle could be won with missiles? They even started building aircraft without guns as a result.
No, they have a 27mm Mauser. The Typhoon gun story is a long and shocking one. Probably too much thread drift to go into whole thing here, so précis.
Designed with gun. Announcement to remove it save money (really? How much does a gun cost?). Expense of removal = huge. Leave gun in to preserve c of g but no ammo or support equipment. 2006, "ooh, a gun is a good idea for CAS and such, buy ammo."
Other stories of mounting a gun in a plastic aeroplane, but it's working.
Designed with gun. Announcement to remove it save money (really? How much does a gun cost?). Expense of removal = huge. Leave gun in to preserve c of g but no ammo or support equipment. 2006, "ooh, a gun is a good idea for CAS and such, buy ammo."
Other stories of mounting a gun in a plastic aeroplane, but it's working.
I hope the criticisms can stay with the movers and shakers who have allowed things to get where they are. I hope the criticisms can stay away from those operating it. One only has to look at how pilots who praise it are berated on this forum, and others, to realise that some people just wanna vent their disgust at anyone who will listen.
The Atlantic trail is a clear example.
MSOCS - You have me puzzled. I just re-read the Atlantic-trail comments here and while there was some critique, nobody was being "berated" as far as I can see. Do you have specifics?
The Atlantic trail is a clear example.
MSOCS - You have me puzzled. I just re-read the Atlantic-trail comments here and while there was some critique, nobody was being "berated" as far as I can see. Do you have specifics?
Maybe just leave the Atlantic Trail as it is. It's not big news, it worked, it's not the first time it's been done. I think MSOCS point is don't shoot the guys flying the trail.
My point is more the one-sided attitude-policing we've seen lately on this thread, where F-35 critics are portrayed as abusive bullies and pro-F-35 people are allowed to plant all kinds of misinformation without any consequences.
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Question for you all, can the F35B operate the AMRAAM from internal carriage ? I don't mean carry, I mean operationally fire and guide the weapon to target which includes any mid course data linkage.
Simple question.
Simple question.
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The USMC has declared IOC with 2b software, that only supports internally carried weapons. One would have hoped that the USMC had proven that the B could launch an AMRAAM....
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The B model did a double firing a year or two ago. Not surprisingly, I don't recall seeing anything about the range or any other firing parameters, but it seems to have worked.
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Hmm, all I can find at the moment is 2B gives "initial" A/A capability....
Whatever that is....but it's not "full" A/A capability...congressional report April '5....
Tourist, you mean like these guys?
Operational Testers Flag F-35 Software Issues « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
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Whatever that is....but it's not "full" A/A capability...congressional report April '5....
Tourist, you mean like these guys?
Operational Testers Flag F-35 Software Issues « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
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AFAIK, AIM-120 has been successfully deployed from both stations inside the Weapon Bay, with read across to the other bay, thereby qualifying the carriage, jettison and release of AMRAAM. Missiles have been fully supported throughout the set engagement envelope.
CM, I don't believe the trial specifics are in the public domain, therefore range, aspect, is still close-hold.
Firings were very successful, as one would expect, given the time/money/sweat/effort available.
AFAIK, AIM-120 has been successfully deployed from both stations inside the Weapon Bay, with read across to the other bay, thereby qualifying the carriage, jettison and release of AMRAAM. Missiles have been fully supported throughout the set engagement envelope.
CM, I don't believe the trial specifics are in the public domain, therefore range, aspect, is still close-hold.
Firings were very successful, as one would expect, given the time/money/sweat/effort available.