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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 5th Jul 2014, 19:27
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So, not an option for the RAF\FAA fleet then.....perhaps they can develop a non-stealthy pod version!
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Old 5th Jul 2014, 23:08
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Give it 50 years and maybe UKsville will come to terms with the 21st century.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 12:35
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There was, way back when, talk that Dave-B's not operating off a carrier would have their lift fans removed and replaced with an additional fuel tank to substantially improve the range when in a conventional mode. There has been no mention as far as I'm aware recently so I expect the plan was dropped. Supposedly utilising the lift fan slot and the driveshaft as a power source the B could carry a very high power energy weapon.

I wouldn't expect to see it for another 20 years though!
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 14:05
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It would make more sense just to do a split buy with the A, rather than carving up the B. This was also a plan, but since scrapped by the Mod on account of once bitten twice shy with regard to the mess with the B/C switch and switch back. Also, suspect there will no longer be enough bought for 'carrier' and 'non carrier' specific airframes.

John, I get what you say about the 2048 OSD. Unfortunately the recent precedent has been to bring forward OSDs - Jaguar, Harrier, Tornado, C-130J - rather than to put them back.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 15:13
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I have never suggested the B would swop its fan for a [email protected] geny. Nor do I think anybody else would.

The A's front tank is another matter though at mid life.

As for the increased range that the front tank gives over the B I feel some people don't understand the need for fuel reserves when landing an A. If you can hover they are much reduced - especially if operating from a ship.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 15:50
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Melmoth, yes, you are right about recent OSDs, but I think that's only been to save coin. In all those instances, they ("they" being the wizards, or something) thought they could pass the role onto another type and scrap an entire platform and all it's support. Platforms with no obvious replacement, I would imagine, might be more likely to be extended than scrapped. Once we have only two FJ platforms, the decision might not be so simple. Dunno. What do you think?
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 16:05
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Yes Courtney, it always comes down to coinage. You're right that it's harder to gap an FJ capability when faced with the lack of a suitable replacement than, say, an MPA capability.

I do think 2048 is far to near for an F-35 OSD, but that's the date they've given.

Who knows eh? ;-)
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 17:45
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Will youse Brits be trainin' here (OR only the RNers) until UK trainin' starts?

F-35B training squadron arriving in Beaufort, to start training in October 05 Jul 2014 MATT McNAB
"...Classes that start in October will be composed of experienced pilots transitioning to the new aircraft, said Troy Ward, MCAS Beaufort Site Activation Task Force program manager. New pilots will begin training in 2015. Foreign pilots are also slated to train at the air station, but their arrival is still being worked out.

Training will take between six and eight months, but won’t involve much use of the vertical capabilities of the aircraft. About 70 percent of the training uses conventional takeoffs and landings, Ward said....."
F-35B training squadron arriving in Beaufort, to start training in October | Charleston/ Beaufort military bases | The State
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 17:50
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617 Sqn will stand up at Beaufort in 2016, before relocating to Marham in 2018.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 18:50
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Thanks for that info. I'll hope all their SRVLs aboard CVF are as tranquil as shown at the end of this new version of the SRVL explaino video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uPW...WyyhLKV3MmXsBQ
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 19:44
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I have never suggested the B would swop its fan for a [email protected]r geny.
I rarely get confused, but I don't think anyone did anything of the sort. But, get rid of the lift gubbins and there's a handy driveshaft with lots of kW attached.

Personally I'd rather have
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 19:57
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Willard, I've always known that Ray guns are the future, ever since I was a lad. But the ray guns they showed me didn't need half the airframe's space and power to make them work. With that space goes capability. When the frame is already short on range/payload/agility, this is hardly a great wonder for its future. Especially true as it's not yet op and failed to make it across the Atlantic.

So, too early to be imagining what it might do before it even does what it should, which is not even what it was imagined to do. Little steps...
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 21:17
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Heheh... 'LO' will stop reading at the 'gc' which is probably a good thing...

"WASHINGTON — The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) has begun carrying out a game-changing plan for sustainment on a global scale, one that relies heavily on competition to help drive down costs...."
Global Competition Opens For F-35 Sustainment Deals | Defense News | defensenews.com
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 21:33
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Oh good. Now someone in another country is contracting out our Mil support for us. This can only be a wonderful thing.
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 00:04
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Oh good. Now someone in another country is contracting out our Mil support for us. This can only be a wonderful thing.
The funny thing will be when China or Russia become the lowest bidder.
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 01:15
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Once the jet has proven that it can be deployed and operated normally, if a partner nation is willing to invest, it may be assigned the regional responsibility for repairing the nose landing gear.

No mention of how anything related to stealth materials/coatings or other sensitive technology will be "assigned". But in any case it will be done on the JSFPO's determination of "best value".

So what becomes of the Netherlands' or Italy's or UK-Norway's plans to carve out big shares of support work?
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 02:31
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Originally Posted by LowObservable
So what becomes of the Netherlands' or Italy's or UK-Norway's plans to carve out big shares of support work?
As with all things 'B' they're shafted



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Old 7th Jul 2014, 10:32
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Nice one, Kit!
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 11:16
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Meanwhile...

F-35Bs would have to ferry across the pond on Wednesday in order to do demo flights for RIAT on Thursday. This means they have until Tuesday, latest, to announce that a root cause for the fire has been found, establish RTF actions and implement those actions on the Marine birds at Pax. They'd have to get the RTF actions established today to have any chance of getting the U.K. jet over.
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 13:04
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Stick one in a Galaxy and have it towed up and down past the screaming crowd at Farnborough?
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