F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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But how about Iraq and Libya? I see how neither of those have helped our country or people. Also the desire of the political leadership to engage in action Syria, I fail to see how that is in our interests.
The US military action in Vietnam proved to be a total waste of time, sadly it was all for nothing. The communists still won and yet there was not much of a domino effect besides Laos and Cambodia.
As for Yugoslavia logically we could have kept strong military forces at the borders but not got directly involved. Amazing how Tito could hold it together!
China still has in my opinion been a lot better behaved globally than what we have. I don't see Russia or China as a major threat to the western way of life. Russia is a capitalist country, China although technically communist has embraced capitalism to a massive level. I see neither these days as any kind of threat to the current global system.
I do think that back in the day with the USSR especially the Stalin years there was a threat from the USSR but when the Cold War ended and realistic threat to the western way of life from Russia ceased. At worst Russia is a rival to the west not an enemy, in my opinion they could and should be a partner.
The US military action in Vietnam proved to be a total waste of time, sadly it was all for nothing. The communists still won and yet there was not much of a domino effect besides Laos and Cambodia.
As for Yugoslavia logically we could have kept strong military forces at the borders but not got directly involved. Amazing how Tito could hold it together!
China still has in my opinion been a lot better behaved globally than what we have. I don't see Russia or China as a major threat to the western way of life. Russia is a capitalist country, China although technically communist has embraced capitalism to a massive level. I see neither these days as any kind of threat to the current global system.
I do think that back in the day with the USSR especially the Stalin years there was a threat from the USSR but when the Cold War ended and realistic threat to the western way of life from Russia ceased. At worst Russia is a rival to the west not an enemy, in my opinion they could and should be a partner.
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To bring the original topic back, I suggest we follow Stephen's suggestion
to go with the FU 435 Employmonator
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India?
They refused to negotiate, moved their troops even beyond their claim line and (criminally) hung their poor bloody squaddies out to dry
Remember the Chinese whopped them, then withdrew of their own accord AND returned all the weapons they'd captured in the rout......... made the Indians sign for them as well
They refused to negotiate, moved their troops even beyond their claim line and (criminally) hung their poor bloody squaddies out to dry
Remember the Chinese whopped them, then withdrew of their own accord AND returned all the weapons they'd captured in the rout......... made the Indians sign for them as well
First F-35A Arrives At Luke AFB, AZ - 10 Mar 14
The first of 144 x F-35A (6 x 24-aircraft squadrons) currently planned to be based at Luke AFB, Arizona arrived today:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/arizon...orce-base.html
Also in Arizona, MCAS Yuma plans to have 5 x 16-aircraft F-35B squadrons and an 8-aircraft OEU (total 88).
https://www.f35.com/about/who-is-flying/Yuma
http://www.azcentral.com/news/arizon...orce-base.html
Also in Arizona, MCAS Yuma plans to have 5 x 16-aircraft F-35B squadrons and an 8-aircraft OEU (total 88).
https://www.f35.com/about/who-is-flying/Yuma
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Another NETHERLANDS-style order cut, this time for Italy, originally 131,
than 90 and now the inevitable further cut(s).
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than 90 and now the inevitable further cut(s).
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ROME (Reuters) – Italy may cut its order for 90 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter jets as part of broad reductions in public spending, Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said late on Sunday.
Renzi said Italy was seeking 3 billion euros ($4.18 billion)in savings on its defence budget over the next three years from closing barracks and from big-ticket items like the F-35.
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The order has already been reduced from 131 aircraft and many in Renzi’s centre-left Democratic Party (PD), as well as in opposition parties, would like to see it cut still further or scrapped altogether.
Renzi said Italy was seeking 3 billion euros ($4.18 billion)in savings on its defence budget over the next three years from closing barracks and from big-ticket items like the F-35.
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The order has already been reduced from 131 aircraft and many in Renzi’s centre-left Democratic Party (PD), as well as in opposition parties, would like to see it cut still further or scrapped altogether.
Australian Govt set to approve 86 F-35A's for the RAAF. 14 already on order and first one being built...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/raa...-1226852961019
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/raa...-1226852961019
F-35's French rival pitches 'Canadianized' fighter jet - Politics - CBC News
Tempting, I suggest.... tech transfer, assembly, source codes, twin engine,....
Tempting, I suggest.... tech transfer, assembly, source codes, twin engine,....
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Italian Lawmakers Back Cuts to JSF Purchase
ROME — Italy’s planned purchase of 90 Joint Strike Fighters (JSFs) was thrown further into doubt on March 19 as members of the Italian parliament signed off a report calling for “significant” cuts to the program and senior government officials ordered a new defense white paper to reassess Italy’s military strategy by year end. The developments came three days after new Italian prime minister Matteo Renzi suggested Italy would cut its purchase of JSFs as the Italian government struggles to bring down state spending.
The critical report was drawn up by members of the center-left Democratic Party to which Renzi belongs who also sit on the defense commission of the lower house of parliament. The document cannot yet be considered government, or even party policy. “It needs to be voted on by the commission, although I believe it will be since the Democratic Party is in the majority,” said Gian Piero Scanu, a commission member and one of the authors of the report. “Then it will be voted on in parliament itself,” he added.
The document criticizes Italy’s allegedly poor workshare on the JSF program, claims that the jobs generated by Italy’s JSF assembly line are insufficient and states that Italy’s lack of access to sensitive program data will lead to dependence on the US. Italy’s planned 12 billion euro purchase of 90 aircraft should be “significantly cut,” while ongoing orders should be halted until technical hitches are cleared up, the report adds.
While Italy has planned spending billions on the Joint Strike Fighter, it has scaled back its purchases of the Eurofighter. The report argues that instead Italy should be aiming to buy the ground attack version of the Eurofighter, which it claims would compete on level terms with the JSF, adding that the European program guarantees an industrial return equal to outlay.............
ROME — Italy’s planned purchase of 90 Joint Strike Fighters (JSFs) was thrown further into doubt on March 19 as members of the Italian parliament signed off a report calling for “significant” cuts to the program and senior government officials ordered a new defense white paper to reassess Italy’s military strategy by year end. The developments came three days after new Italian prime minister Matteo Renzi suggested Italy would cut its purchase of JSFs as the Italian government struggles to bring down state spending.
The critical report was drawn up by members of the center-left Democratic Party to which Renzi belongs who also sit on the defense commission of the lower house of parliament. The document cannot yet be considered government, or even party policy. “It needs to be voted on by the commission, although I believe it will be since the Democratic Party is in the majority,” said Gian Piero Scanu, a commission member and one of the authors of the report. “Then it will be voted on in parliament itself,” he added.
The document criticizes Italy’s allegedly poor workshare on the JSF program, claims that the jobs generated by Italy’s JSF assembly line are insufficient and states that Italy’s lack of access to sensitive program data will lead to dependence on the US. Italy’s planned 12 billion euro purchase of 90 aircraft should be “significantly cut,” while ongoing orders should be halted until technical hitches are cleared up, the report adds.
While Italy has planned spending billions on the Joint Strike Fighter, it has scaled back its purchases of the Eurofighter. The report argues that instead Italy should be aiming to buy the ground attack version of the Eurofighter, which it claims would compete on level terms with the JSF, adding that the European program guarantees an industrial return equal to outlay.............
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Does the "ground attack version of the Eurofighter" even exist?
Last I heard the most-capable strike/ground-attack upgrades had been dropped from the program.
Last I heard the most-capable strike/ground-attack upgrades had been dropped from the program.
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Originally Posted by GreenKnight121
Does the "ground attack version of the Eurofighter" even exist?
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
I suppose the reciprocating question would be is there a fighter version of F-35?
It's clear that the RCAF were very impressed with Rafale during the Malian campaign....
Someone has also woken up to the fact that the wretched 'CF-35A' isn't compatible with the CC-150T tanker....unless Canada pays Lockheed yet more $quillions for an unique modification. Or switches to the F-35C? Or trades in its CC-150Ts for a Canadian version of the A330MRTT? All of which would cost a lot more than acquiring the Rafale, both in terms of money and time.
Vive Rafale!!
Someone has also woken up to the fact that the wretched 'CF-35A' isn't compatible with the CC-150T tanker....unless Canada pays Lockheed yet more $quillions for an unique modification. Or switches to the F-35C? Or trades in its CC-150Ts for a Canadian version of the A330MRTT? All of which would cost a lot more than acquiring the Rafale, both in terms of money and time.
Vive Rafale!!