Should the RAF be scrapped? (merged)
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The argument that 'the Army could do that' works both ways. The Air Force could do the army stuff with the bods and equipment, similarly the Navy could too. Gifting the Air Force folks and equipment to the Army, does't mean they can do it...
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Seek the 'Two Johns' on youtube for the discussion re. having how many Admirals related to how many major ships; I'm actually pro-Navy ( particularly FAA ) but it is a good point, with humour.
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Not to state the obvious BUT, assuming they decided to give the navy the option of providing UK defence from there flat tops as was mentioned on the radio.
Only the harrier out off the airforce currant aircraft can used on carriers !
So are we to up the order for F-35's??
Buy F18's as mentioned on the other thread (or buy French !!!!)
What am saying is NONE off these options are cheap so they are not going to save any cash .
And is going to cost more !
Only the harrier out off the airforce currant aircraft can used on carriers !
So are we to up the order for F-35's??
Buy F18's as mentioned on the other thread (or buy French !!!!)
What am saying is NONE off these options are cheap so they are not going to save any cash .
And is going to cost more !
If they canned the RAF and transferred all the equipment to the Army/RN how many personnel do you think would go with it? If individuals had wanted to 'dig in' they would have joined the Army and if they had wanted to 'give up' they would have joined the Navy.
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.... and before anyone else says it, if they had wanted to wear RAC patrolmans uniform, nylon trousers, clothes from George at Asda and white socks then they would have joined the Air Force. Which they did!
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.... and before anyone else says it, if they had wanted to wear RAC patrolmans uniform, nylon trousers, clothes from George at Asda and white socks then they would have joined the Air Force. Which they did!
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Ok, so that's sorted then, you Air Commodores will all transfer over to the Army in the rank of Colonel, you Sergeants will all become RSM's what ever they are and I am sorry, but there does not appear to be a position for a Royal on their manning strength, I would suggest you go along with the man in the funny hat Sir and see if the Navy can find an opening for you.....
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I used to enjoy reading the debates on here, but instead it just descends into someone banging on about how great the Navy is. The debate here is that while some try to come up with an affordable, cost-effective solution to the provision of Defence capability, the narrow-minded brigade just see it as an opportunity to bash the RAF. People love to rush forward and tell their stories of how an organisation screwed up, or to highlight some nobs within it. I spent some of my time today trying to reach a solution with one of my Army bretheren who refused to see that his interpretation of a situation may be wrong and instead spent his time knocking my service. Great. Jointery is inhibited by the closed minds who can't move forward and instead spend their time calling names and making fun of things they don't understand.
Bernard Law Montgomery, also know as 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein once said:
"Air power is indivisible. If you split it up into compartments, you merely pull it to pieces and destroy its greatest asset, its flexibility. "
Bernard Law Montgomery, also know as 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein once said:
"Air power is indivisible. If you split it up into compartments, you merely pull it to pieces and destroy its greatest asset, its flexibility. "
Bernard Law Montgomery, also know as 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein once said:
"Air power is indivisible. If you split it up into compartments, you merely pull it to pieces and destroy its greatest asset, its flexibility. "
"Air power is indivisible. If you split it up into compartments, you merely pull it to pieces and destroy its greatest asset, its flexibility. "
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The Army Must Go!
An island nation needs a Navy and an Airforce to defend the homeland. It needs an Army to occupy lands that belong to others. It's about time we stopped pretending we are a major player.
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'The Air Force could do the army stuff with the bods and equipment, similarly the Navy could too.'
Given the state of many an airman and officer that I have seen recently I very much doubt that. At the same time, the IQ of the average infantry soldier would exclude them from piloting a fast jet.
They are different jobs for different people.
The funniest point I heard on the JV show was from a lady that said her son was a RAF Chef...and soldier first.
I don't think so...
Anyway, roll on the end of Oct.
Given the state of many an airman and officer that I have seen recently I very much doubt that. At the same time, the IQ of the average infantry soldier would exclude them from piloting a fast jet.
They are different jobs for different people.
The funniest point I heard on the JV show was from a lady that said her son was a RAF Chef...and soldier first.
I don't think so...
Anyway, roll on the end of Oct.
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was a RAF Chef...and solider first
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An RAF Chef would never have been live armed, you had to have successfully completed your trade training before that could happen.
As the RAF Catering course is obviously the hardest course ever invented, must be as no one has ever passed it, cant see how an RAF Chef would ever be trusted with a rifle.
As the RAF Catering course is obviously the hardest course ever invented, must be as no one has ever passed it, cant see how an RAF Chef would ever be trusted with a rifle.
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An RAF Chef would never have been live armed, you had to have successfully completed your trade training before that could happen.
As the RAF Catering course is obviously the hardest course ever invented, must be as no one has ever passed it, cant see how an RAF Chef would ever be trusted with a rifle.
As the RAF Catering course is obviously the hardest course ever invented, must be as no one has ever passed it, cant see how an RAF Chef would ever be trusted with a rifle.
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Dan Gerous make a good point about being an armed guarding force during the 70/80s...but that is not being a soldier. They are very different things.
Being an infantry soldier today is a very complex game that involves some sophisticated bits of kit - it is not a case of pick up gun, run towards hill shooting and shouting - and this reinforces my point some posts ago about the RAF not being able to do the Army's job and vice versa. The average burden of 70kg is another issue.
You may ask how does the average Joe do this given his lack of schooling? By doing it again and again, and again, and relying on his mates, and this is his main job - not a part time activity inbetween engine changes, photography details, cooking lunch for the station or counting aircrew gloves in the stores. There are many parts of the Army that kid themselves that they could do the infantry job but this is far from the reality.
I look forward to Oct again
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Being an infantry soldier today is a very complex game that involves some sophisticated bits of kit - it is not a case of pick up gun, run towards hill shooting and shouting - and this reinforces my point some posts ago about the RAF not being able to do the Army's job and vice versa. The average burden of 70kg is another issue.
You may ask how does the average Joe do this given his lack of schooling? By doing it again and again, and again, and relying on his mates, and this is his main job - not a part time activity inbetween engine changes, photography details, cooking lunch for the station or counting aircrew gloves in the stores. There are many parts of the Army that kid themselves that they could do the infantry job but this is far from the reality.
I look forward to Oct again
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I don't know about the RAF - but can we scrap the malodorous Jeremy please? A more pointless and incipid broadcaster you'd be hard pressed to find.