Shameful discrimination against military personnel
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i think the thread has moved on from whether a military id is acceptable form of proof of age.
Recently in Yorkshire Tesco's refused to serve alcohol to a serviceman as all he had was his military id. This made the newspapers predcitably, and it came back from Tesco that they had asked the MOD for example IDs so they could train their staff. The MOD had said no, as they didn't want examples of military id in general circulation, which seems fair enuf. So really there are two sides to using military id as proof of age. And i know the thread has moved on, not being thick....
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Recently in Yorkshire Tesco's refused to serve alcohol to a serviceman as all he had was his military id. This made the newspapers predcitably, and it came back from Tesco that they had asked the MOD for example IDs so they could train their staff. The MOD had said no, as they didn't want examples of military id in general circulation, which seems fair enuf. So really there are two sides to using military id as proof of age. And i know the thread has moved on, not being thick....
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Torque tonight. He isn’t losing any sleep over it. They just went to the pub down the road. His mates mentioned the incident to the Landlord. He was so disgusted he gave them all a free pint to show his support. So they are not all bad in Wolverhampton. Its me that’s upset about doormen and companies being able to get away with discrimination like this. Some of us care and think our boys and girls serving in the armed forces deserve more respect. Sorry you don’t.
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Oh but I do care. In fact having worn the blue uniform until relatively recent times I have a vested interest in the welfare of our people. I too have had a run-in with a local establishment where a large group of us from the RAF station were told by a member of the pub staff "We're not supposed to serve you lot here".
Let me tell you that nothing gave us greater pleasure than never going back there and ensuring that the entire officer and aircrew corps of a major flying station embargoed the place until they went bust and the management changed. What I did learn from the experience was that it's not worth wasting too many heartbeats over.
He has two options: Forget about it, go back, and have good nights out there in the future; or never go back, make sure as many friends and colleagues do the same and take some pleasure in damaging their profit margins.
Either way, don't make a drama out of what is really not a very important issue in the big scheme of things - it's not worth the emotional energy - especially Yates' which is still a s--thole dive.
Let me tell you that nothing gave us greater pleasure than never going back there and ensuring that the entire officer and aircrew corps of a major flying station embargoed the place until they went bust and the management changed. What I did learn from the experience was that it's not worth wasting too many heartbeats over.
He has two options: Forget about it, go back, and have good nights out there in the future; or never go back, make sure as many friends and colleagues do the same and take some pleasure in damaging their profit margins.
Either way, don't make a drama out of what is really not a very important issue in the big scheme of things - it's not worth the emotional energy - especially Yates' which is still a s--thole dive.
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Groundbum. Quite agree with the MODs stance on using military ID as proof of age. In this case it was not offered as such. My son was getting his driving license out of his wallet when the doorman observed his ID in a clear plastic pocket. This was enough to get him refused entry. Sad country we live in where our military lads and lasses have to hide their military ID for fear of being discriminated against. I have worked in the USA quite a lot and their armed forces are shown far more respect. Most places are proud of their custom, even give discounts to attract them.
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Torque tonight. He has forgotten about it. He is not the sensitive type. I am glad you were able to put an establishment with a similar attitude out of business. That is my reason for posting really. I am just trying to find out if this is a common problem and if it is do something about it. I agree there are bigger issues. My son his doing his bit to try and sort some of them out. I just think this sort of discrimination against our armed forces is unacceptable and want to show my support and try and stop it.
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i've been turned away from multiple establishments for being in possession of a 1250, i'm not the type to use it as primary ID - it was noticed as in the OP story. it's happened in Oxford, Fleet and others that i probably can't think of. it's not about whether your lad is a good egg or not, it's the fact that some bunch of idiots have ruined it before him.
I don't blame the bouncer, the landlord or society. merely the minority W***ers who have sullied the reputation of the wider armed forces. I'm sure i'll get over it
, plenty more bars on the high street.
I don't blame the bouncer, the landlord or society. merely the minority W***ers who have sullied the reputation of the wider armed forces. I'm sure i'll get over it
, plenty more bars on the high street.
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Amazing this is now personally about fatsbat and his son and how they're dealing with it or not. Chucked in a little 'you're being racist' for what may be slightly ill-worded but probably doesn't have a shred of malicious intent to anyone.
Surely the real point here is, a chap was refused entry to a (shoddy) establishment for being in HM Forces. It is unacceptable and happens all too often. Leave the bloke alone, we should all be on his side or we should probably be reading another forum.
Fatsbat, your son is too worthy to drink in a Yates, clearly from your post he found a much better pub anyway. I totally agree with you that it's appalling, Mps want to assure us of how highly they value us, maybe a simple email to your MP could assuage your anger and prevent future young chaps being treated this way, better still maybe all yates and similar 'establishments' could be closed down saving us all from £1 for a double!!!!
Surely the real point here is, a chap was refused entry to a (shoddy) establishment for being in HM Forces. It is unacceptable and happens all too often. Leave the bloke alone, we should all be on his side or we should probably be reading another forum.
Fatsbat, your son is too worthy to drink in a Yates, clearly from your post he found a much better pub anyway. I totally agree with you that it's appalling, Mps want to assure us of how highly they value us, maybe a simple email to your MP could assuage your anger and prevent future young chaps being treated this way, better still maybe all yates and similar 'establishments' could be closed down saving us all from £1 for a double!!!!
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Fatsbat, you may have caught me in a slightly grumpy mood for which I apologize. It is entirely understandable that you should be affronted on your lad's behalf. But, I still believe it's not worth getting too stressed over. Striking Yates' from the list is no great loss and most venues welcome Forces people with open arms (and sometimes discounts).
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Have to agree with Herc-u-lease point here, living on an overseas base at the moment, and the recent (military) visitors have broken into the pool and defecated on two occasions and even if only 3 of them did that you can be sure that the rest peed in the pool. They have started fights with the local kids on the base, sunbathed naked, stripped off on the family beaches and generally caused havoc. And all that is on their own door step so to speak. I am not tarring your son with that brush but in a group people have a strength that they do not normally possess as individuals. That is exactly what we are looking for when they are fighting for Queen and Country (and their mates) but you can see why it doesn't translate well into normal life.
I am merely stating examples to illustrate a point that sober or not groups of young people tend to think that they can do what they want where they want without reproach. Back to my original point before you jumped down my throat......2 sides to every story.
I am merely stating examples to illustrate a point that sober or not groups of young people tend to think that they can do what they want where they want without reproach. Back to my original point before you jumped down my throat......2 sides to every story.
I don't blame the bouncer, the landlord or society. merely the minority W***ers who have sullied the reputation of the wider armed forces. I'm sure i'll get over it
, plenty more bars on the high street.
, plenty more bars on the high street.
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I just think this sort of discrimination against our armed forces is unacceptable and want to show my support and try and stop it.
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From the first post this thread had no-where to go. Sorry but after two pages it should have settled down but it is clear that no-one is prepared to do that. Sad that.
