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Quote - Would you bother to feather the props if it was accidental, or would you be more concerned with getting out ASAP ?
Er, you don't have any other choice but to feather the props... 'Ground Stop' only works if the weight is on the wheels!
Er, you don't have any other choice but to feather the props... 'Ground Stop' only works if the weight is on the wheels!
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Bearing in mind there was a repat at Lyenham on Friday,perhaps that is why the decision was made to (potentially)black the runway at Brize-which was,of course exactly what happened.
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Come on guys, I hardly think this is the correct forum to spread rumours and half baked theories.
Many of us know this aircraft quite well (some of us instructed on it), it's almost unbelievable that you'd not get ANY portion of the gear . . .
We'll see.
But if you're going to complain that people are rumouring and having half-baked theories - go somewhere else.
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Tis obvious a conspiracy theory but disaffected gorbags to try and push the election off the front page, either that or someone has a mate in a tarmac company and an envelope, brown, full of PBT's had changed hands
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More (albeit qualified) speculation for you.
Maybe the captain of an aircraft with no functioning undercarriage (and hence no brakes) might choose to utilise a nearly 10'000 ft long rwy as opposed to a 7'200 odd ft long runway and frankly not give a tinkers about his truckie brethren having to spend the night in Lyneham mess or Bredbury Hall (yippee).
It was standard practice in my time on Albert to take any problems involving unreliable braking or reverse thrust to Brize.
I guess you're going to get a lot of braking action off the bottom of a Herc. However if you are compelled to do that you're going to need a lot of runway length to make sure that you set her down gently, in balance and pointing the right direction.
So if, as it appears, this was done in a premeditated fashion, well done guys!
And furthermore, if those responsible for steam-rollering the CATARA debacle don't take this opprtunity to pause and reconsider, shame on you.
Maybe the captain of an aircraft with no functioning undercarriage (and hence no brakes) might choose to utilise a nearly 10'000 ft long rwy as opposed to a 7'200 odd ft long runway and frankly not give a tinkers about his truckie brethren having to spend the night in Lyneham mess or Bredbury Hall (yippee).
It was standard practice in my time on Albert to take any problems involving unreliable braking or reverse thrust to Brize.
I guess you're going to get a lot of braking action off the bottom of a Herc. However if you are compelled to do that you're going to need a lot of runway length to make sure that you set her down gently, in balance and pointing the right direction.
So if, as it appears, this was done in a premeditated fashion, well done guys!
And furthermore, if those responsible for steam-rollering the CATARA debacle don't take this opprtunity to pause and reconsider, shame on you.
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Quote "Bearing in mind there was a repat at Lyenham on Friday,perhaps that is why the decision was made to (potentially)black the runway at Brize-which was,of course exactly what happened."
But this happened on thursday night!!!
But this happened on thursday night!!!
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the icelandic volcano did **** things up for a few days and we got through it. that's a natural disaster, an unforeseen risk. Why build risk into your operations knowingly by putting all AT into a single airfield, with a single runway?
but that seems like a risk the upper management is happy to accept. so what happens when BZN needs re-surfacing? was fairford the bolthole?
but that seems like a risk the upper management is happy to accept. so what happens when BZN needs re-surfacing? was fairford the bolthole?
Do a Hover - it avoids G
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I was not trying to be clever. Nor was I suggesting any scenario. Does the fact that the top pic shows the aircraft very close to the end of the runway not make you think?
I was not trying to be clever. Nor was I suggesting any scenario. Does the fact that the top pic shows the aircraft very close to the end of the runway not make you think?
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Hercyleese -
Mate, post SDR, the only AT we'll need to move UK Armed Forces and equipment around, will be one Shorts Skyvan or equivalent. I gather the Omanis have one we could use - may need a bit of a dust off and some wheels, but dirt cheap my friend.
In this context, one runway will be more than sufficient.
Why build risk into your operations knowingly by putting all AT into a single airfield, with a single runway?
In this context, one runway will be more than sufficient.
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And there in a nutshell is the whole tragic reality of the situation laid bare. Someone, somewhere, has to stop this sleep walking into oblivion before we reap the inevitable consequences of such recklessness. Perhaps that nice Mr Clegg might be able to do.....oh, really? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
Its not as if people at the top arn't aware or acknowledging that it is a potential snag, its just that the decision has been made and its going ahead.
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Originally Posted by seldomfitforpurpose
Why would you "do a couple of circuits" at Bzn when your home base with all your technical expertise, infrastructure etc is no more than 4 minutes away 
Good to see that is doesn't look too badly damaged given that it's supposed to soldier on for another couple of years.
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Missing the gear on the checklist should never happen on a multi-crew flightdeck.
Not to mention the big red light in the gear handle that works even with the warning horn CB pulled.
Lip-service to checks? What an earth was the Air Engineer doing?
Unforgivable
As for the aircraft soldiering for a couple of years - why not just pull the plug on the whole C130K fleet - it is providing nothing in terms of output for Defence.
Someone wake up and smell the coffee - this incident could have been a lot worse and is indicative of lack of trg on a reducing fleet approaching OSD.
Not to mention the big red light in the gear handle that works even with the warning horn CB pulled.
Lip-service to checks? What an earth was the Air Engineer doing?
Unforgivable
As for the aircraft soldiering for a couple of years - why not just pull the plug on the whole C130K fleet - it is providing nothing in terms of output for Defence.
Someone wake up and smell the coffee - this incident could have been a lot worse and is indicative of lack of trg on a reducing fleet approaching OSD.