Oman Typhoon
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Sticking to the subject in hand. We gave up the Jags, we gave up the Shars (which you supported) all of which felt painful at the time but the reality is we haven't been invaded We are buying 160 of the things. In business the term it's called cascading. You flog the old stuff while someone still wants to buy it at a decent price, then buy something new. if that's deranged in your book then I can live with that because that's what happens in the real world. What else would you offer up when the axe man comes?
You really should go and pollute some Naval forum, chum, because when it comes to air power, you're clueless.
Typhoon is not 'old kit', nor is it irrelevant. It's one of the last things to get rid of.
Typhoon is not 'old kit', nor is it irrelevant. It's one of the last things to get rid of.
If you mean within defence, then CVF and JSF for a start.
And the planned Trident replacement, taking a cheaper (admittedly less capable) deterrent in its place.
And the planned Trident replacement, taking a cheaper (admittedly less capable) deterrent in its place.
Is the Typhoon any good at ultra low level? If the answer is no, then the Omani's don't need it!
Is it reliable in hot and high runway operations? If the answer is no, then the Omani's don't need it!
Can it operate off desert strips or highways? If the answer is no then the Omani's don't need it!
I could go on but the answer is the same!
Is it reliable in hot and high runway operations? If the answer is no, then the Omani's don't need it!
Can it operate off desert strips or highways? If the answer is no then the Omani's don't need it!
I could go on but the answer is the same!
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Here's a question, and it's reference the whole swing role debate....
Would it be fair to say that a heater and a gun doesn't make you an AD player anymore? Can the same now be said of an LGB that has no GPS help in the A-mud role? What, then, is swing role?
My own opinion is that to be classed as swing role in today's environment (the warfighting one, not the 'I love/ hate aeroplane X unconditionally' one)you need a fox three (well...four or so..), an advanced pod and a GPS guided weapon. Very soon this will need to be augmented by either an LO platform or a SEAD/DEAD weapon as well. No point swinging between roles with gay abandon if all the SAMs in christendom and beyond can reach out and grab you.
I am minded, for the ability to swing into the COIN role that one needs the gun as well.
I realise that the Typhoon must be a swing role aeroplane (I disagree) because the RAF news says it is...the same font of knowledge that shows Seeb, Bastion and KAF as Typhoon shapes in roundel colours...(Off topic but that annoys the hell out of me, and I can't think it overwhelms our heroic SH and hard working AT fleets either)
Anyway, what say you?
Would it be fair to say that a heater and a gun doesn't make you an AD player anymore? Can the same now be said of an LGB that has no GPS help in the A-mud role? What, then, is swing role?
My own opinion is that to be classed as swing role in today's environment (the warfighting one, not the 'I love/ hate aeroplane X unconditionally' one)you need a fox three (well...four or so..), an advanced pod and a GPS guided weapon. Very soon this will need to be augmented by either an LO platform or a SEAD/DEAD weapon as well. No point swinging between roles with gay abandon if all the SAMs in christendom and beyond can reach out and grab you.
I am minded, for the ability to swing into the COIN role that one needs the gun as well.
I realise that the Typhoon must be a swing role aeroplane (I disagree) because the RAF news says it is...the same font of knowledge that shows Seeb, Bastion and KAF as Typhoon shapes in roundel colours...(Off topic but that annoys the hell out of me, and I can't think it overwhelms our heroic SH and hard working AT fleets either)
Anyway, what say you?
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Jackonico - On the basis that some Harrier airframes are sub 3000 fhrs and there are is now a squadron less flogging hours off them why do you believe that they cannot continue flying for the next 8-10 years in the form of the reduced force they have ?
orca,
Four x AMRAAM
Litening III
Six x Enhanced Paveway 2. Picture follows, minus the AAMs...
Errmm, you specified your "swing role" shopping list, and Typhoon has all the elements already... so why do you disagree?!
Got that too.
Well, it's got neither of those (yet) but as the bold bit indicates, you don't think they matter at the moment! I'd say your argument was well and truly unpicked there.
Probably annoys the GR4 guys too - but we're both assuming anyone out there can be bothered to read the rag in the first place!
My own opinion is that to be classed as swing role in today's environment (the warfighting one, not the 'I love/ hate aeroplane X unconditionally' one)you need a fox three (well...four or so..)
an advanced pod
and a GPS guided weapon.
Typhoon must be a swing role aeroplane (I disagree)
for the ability to swing into the COIN role that one needs the gun as well.
Very soon this will need to be augmented by either an LO platform or a SEAD/DEAD weapon as well
Seeb, Bastion and KAF as Typhoon shapes in roundel colours...(Off topic but that annoys the hell out of me, and I can't think it overwhelms our heroic SH and hard working AT fleets either)
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In all the time I was in Oman the only aircraft that operated off dirt strips and/or paved roads were the Hercs, Skyvans and Defenders. Operating a fast jet from these was not considered necessary, at that time, and I don't think it would be now.
A2QFI, In my time in Oman we had contingency plans to operate Jags off the black top road. Several sections were, I believe, built in a straight line for just that reason. Not saying we ever used them like we did in Germany but it was always considered an option should the main Omani bases be knocked out.
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Newt - I do agree that it would be possible to land on many stretches of the North/South road but what you would do when you got there might be problematical - fuel, weapns, turnround etc. A colleague, the late Neil McGibbon, once landed at Marmul and had a bowser out from Thurait to refuel him. If you think we know each other please PM me.
