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Old 9th Jan 2019, 09:07
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So what happens to the 75 that were suitable and entered IOT as would be pilots?

Is 25 per year sufficient to feed the frontline?

How does the system manage if 8% or 12% fail to graduate as pilot?
Only about 25 are being selected to go onto IOTs each year now.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 10:55
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The Bird, understood but what about the 75 selected that don't go to IOT?

What is the impact of failure to graduate? Just one failure is 4%.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 21:59
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I'm just trying to get my head around those figures ...... 4000+ apply, yet going forward, only 25 'potential' pilots are going to IOT each year. Presumably, the 4000+ who apply have all met the basic academic status, so they have a 1 in 160 chance of passing OASC?

I thought they were trying to increase the number of pilots for the proposed extra squadrons?

If some do get chopped along the way, that leaves less than 25 actually making it to a front line squadron. How many pilots does the RAF have on its books and how many new pilots does it actually require each year?

Pilot slots are about to be massively reduced as MFTS fails to deliver the throughput needed.
I thought the solution was to send them to America on the NATO training program?

Is the Careers advice now, "Try the RN and Army first if you want to fly!"
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 10:00
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It'll be much fewer than 4,000 going through to OASC. Many won't pass the filter, many more won't pass the medical.

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Old 14th Jan 2019, 10:28
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Thank you for the reply Muppet.

Do you have an idea, no matter how rough, of the number of pilot applicants who do make it to OASC each year? I just need an idea so that I can give realistic careers advice to people who are thinking about it.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by Sky Sports View Post
Thank you for the reply Muppet.

Do you have an idea, no matter how rough, of the number of pilot applicants who do make it to OASC each year? I just need an idea so that I can give realistic careers advice to people who are thinking about it.
Not really.
It'll fluctuate all the time for damnedest of reasons, none of which will be helpful to your prospective candidates.

And the wider point is if they're put off by statistics, then their heart probably isn't in it enough to make it through all the other hoops. It is, by its very nature, a role for only the select few. If they want it, they have to believe they're good enough to be amongst that few.
And if they believe they're good enough, it doesn't matter how many others are applying.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 09:05
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Recruitment fitness test?

I have a nephew that was rejected at his initial recruitment test.

I believe the test begins with the run and then the floor exercises, press ups and sit-ups. Can any one tell me if the run and floor exercises are intended to be continuous or whether there is a rest period after the run.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 14:28
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I have a nephew that was rejected at his initial recruitment test.

I believe the test begins with the run and then the floor exercises, press ups and sit-ups. Can any one tell me if the run and floor exercises are intended to be continuous or whether there is a rest period after the run.
A rest period, but no more than a minute or two.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 15:17
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MotN, says no rest break. That is probably consistent with your short break as :organization' time.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 18:10
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I've got to be frank here, if he's struggling with the PJFT he has serious fitness issues.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 18:22
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I've got to be frank here, if he's struggling with the PJFT he has serious fitness issues.
DS, he is your typically gawky teen with well developed thumbs and pale complexion.

From what he said when I saw him at Christmas he can run. Now I suspect he may have really run hard rather than just run hard enough. A lesson they all have to learn so they can show improvement.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 14:53
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Upper body and core strength is often the problem, and running is no real indicator -particularly of course for upper body.

I recall an officer I knew when the Fitness Test was introduced. He ran marathons but struggled to do a single press up. Built like a racing snake, but with arms and legs like pipe-cleaners.

Was he fit? Discuss.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 17:37
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TTH, we had a Nimrod captain who also ran marathons but couldn't meet the run times.

The Service is looking for all round fitness not for Geoff Capes or Roger Bannisters. At least they don't ask recruits to load a truck with sandbags
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 09:48
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
TTH, we had a Nimrod captain who also ran marathons but couldn't meet the run times.

The Service is looking for all round fitness not for Geoff Capes or Roger Bannisters. At least they don't ask recruits to load a truck with sandbags
Candidates are advised not to go all out on the run BECAUSE it is quickly followed by the press-ups and sit-ups. The better they do, the more it helps their chance of selection but there is no sympathy for failures... this part of selection is completely within the gift of the candidate.

It is important to reach the basic fitness standard before joining to give assurance that cadets have some resilience; ie, they do not break as soon as theyíre asked to carry a stretcher/rucksack!
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 16:13
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From what i've heard, the press ups and sit ups are approx 1 minute after the 1.5 mile run. I will confirm this next month when I partake in mine.

Cheers.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 07:48
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From what i've heard, the press ups and sit ups are approx 1 minute after the 1.5 mile run. I will confirm this next month when I partake in mine.

Cheers.
The 1.5 mile run was taken out of the SFT years ago. The running element is the bleep test. Your AFCO should have made this clear.
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The 1.5 mile run was taken out of the SFT years ago. The running element is the bleep test. Your AFCO should have made this clear.
I believe it is 2.4km on the treadmill with a specific time limit. The object us to meet that limit so I would expect the machine is set to a speed that will avoid the candidate from over achieving and exhausting themselves on the run.

Weather is not a factor and the test is truly identical for all.

I understand that the test is now contracted out and would guess that not all testing centres could conduct a bleep test.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 11:44
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I believe it is 2.4km on the treadmill with a specific time limit. The object us to meet that limit so I would expect the machine is set to a speed that will avoid the candidate from over achieving and exhausting themselves on the run.

Weather is not a factor and the test is truly identical for all.

I understand that the test is now contracted out and would guess that not all testing centres could conduct a bleep test.
Well that certainly isnít my understanding of the current selection fitness test used at OASC!
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Originally Posted by Bugs to forty View Post

Well that certainly isnít my understanding of the current selection fitness test used at OASC!
My Op related to airman entry and the PJFT not the OASC test

https://www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/m...for_action.pdf
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
My Op related to airman entry and the PJFT not the OASC test
Iím sure you can understand my confusion given this is the OASC page.
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