The Planned March on Wootton
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The Planned March on Wootton
For those of you who think it's a bad Idea there's this petition:
Petition to: Stop the Planned March on Wootton Bassett by Islam4UK or any Similar Group. | Number10.gov.uk
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Petition to: Stop the Planned March on Wootton Bassett by Islam4UK or any Similar Group. | Number10.gov.uk
34,000 sigs already.
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No apologies for swiming against the current but I say let the Islam4uk march through Wooton Basset go ahead. Amongst other things, we are the defenders of freedom of expression, religion and speech, and as residents (I don't know if they are citizens) they should have the same freedoms as everyone else. This is what marks us apart.
However, If they get so upset about our way of life, It makes me wonder why they came here in the first place, I doubt that they would be afforded such freedoms where ever they came from.
What we don't have to do is take any notice. The public, the military and media should give them a damn good ignoring. Unfortunately, this won't happen, the media will have a feeding frenzy and it could quite possibly attract the extreme right and potentially end in violence, which would turn it into a highly damaging media orgy.
There is a lot of positive feeling towards the military at the moment, my view is that those serving and having served should act with dignity and reservation, otherwise we may play into their hands.
Just to clarify, prior to the event, I also thought that the BNP should have been given their moment on Question time. Look at the job he did!
However, If they get so upset about our way of life, It makes me wonder why they came here in the first place, I doubt that they would be afforded such freedoms where ever they came from.
What we don't have to do is take any notice. The public, the military and media should give them a damn good ignoring. Unfortunately, this won't happen, the media will have a feeding frenzy and it could quite possibly attract the extreme right and potentially end in violence, which would turn it into a highly damaging media orgy.
There is a lot of positive feeling towards the military at the moment, my view is that those serving and having served should act with dignity and reservation, otherwise we may play into their hands.
Just to clarify, prior to the event, I also thought that the BNP should have been given their moment on Question time. Look at the job he did!
Vey much agree with TacLan .... but unfortunately the guy "organising" this is quite smart 
He has ALREADY achieved his objective of front page headlines, and is GUARANTEED more of the same......
If the march goes .. there will be cameras by the ton and a massive counter demo that is bound to end in some form of public unrest/fight.... that will be all over the TV and Papers... and young impressionable muslims will be fed the "look what happens when we try to use our democratic rights to protest"
If the march is banned ... that will be all over the TV and papers as a "victory" for the "white non-muslim" ... and young impressionable muslims will be fed the "look what happens when we try to use our democratic rights to protest"
He is in a win-win situation from his view point, and whatever happens we .. the "normal people" .. will be the losers.
He has ALREADY achieved his objective of front page headlines, and is GUARANTEED more of the same......
If the march goes .. there will be cameras by the ton and a massive counter demo that is bound to end in some form of public unrest/fight.... that will be all over the TV and Papers... and young impressionable muslims will be fed the "look what happens when we try to use our democratic rights to protest"
If the march is banned ... that will be all over the TV and papers as a "victory" for the "white non-muslim" ... and young impressionable muslims will be fed the "look what happens when we try to use our democratic rights to protest"
He is in a win-win situation from his view point, and whatever happens we .. the "normal people" .. will be the losers.
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No march,
because the choice of venue makes it obvious that it's intended to insult the dead and their relatives - that isn't democracy, democracy is not about having the freedom to insult others and having no comeback, it's about having the right to make your own point without being stoned to death, as happens in some of the places involved in this argument. Democracy is a balance, and badly designed, but it essentially says that the individual has rights, and is allowed to speak up when they are transgressed, it is not about having some special ability to annoy, insult, defame, or otherwise injure others just because you think your views are more important than anyone else's.
Only complete idiots think democracy implies the right to do this sort of stuff - would it be okay to resurrect Hitler and stage a torchlight rally in Manchester?
They can march through my local town by all means, might help clear some of the snow and ice, in fact get the okay from the loony and I'll draw up a route and get some of the local roads cleared at last. Of course I'll ignore them (being a lazy old git I'd probably also ignore a march by the last 10 years worth of Playboy centrefolds, well, it's a good 200 yards to walk and this chair is pretty comfy you know?) - but choosing WB is a deliberate act to wind people up, and the options should therefore be (1) March elsewhere, or (2) Don't do it.
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(Actually I tend towards the "p*** off where you came from if you don't like it here" school of thought, but I thought this sounded a bit more rational).
because the choice of venue makes it obvious that it's intended to insult the dead and their relatives - that isn't democracy, democracy is not about having the freedom to insult others and having no comeback, it's about having the right to make your own point without being stoned to death, as happens in some of the places involved in this argument. Democracy is a balance, and badly designed, but it essentially says that the individual has rights, and is allowed to speak up when they are transgressed, it is not about having some special ability to annoy, insult, defame, or otherwise injure others just because you think your views are more important than anyone else's.
Only complete idiots think democracy implies the right to do this sort of stuff - would it be okay to resurrect Hitler and stage a torchlight rally in Manchester?
They can march through my local town by all means, might help clear some of the snow and ice, in fact get the okay from the loony and I'll draw up a route and get some of the local roads cleared at last. Of course I'll ignore them (being a lazy old git I'd probably also ignore a march by the last 10 years worth of Playboy centrefolds, well, it's a good 200 yards to walk and this chair is pretty comfy you know?) - but choosing WB is a deliberate act to wind people up, and the options should therefore be (1) March elsewhere, or (2) Don't do it.
Dave
(Actually I tend towards the "p*** off where you came from if you don't like it here" school of thought, but I thought this sounded a bit more rational).
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Apparently in the run up to this 'march', sales of balaclavas have increased throughout the land 
Oh brilliant! That's all we need, some arse like alisoncc advocating mass murder. You can stick your rose tinted never existed nostalgia where the sun don't shine.
The way to REALLY deal with this Islam4UK bunch is to treat their march through WB in exactly the same manner as a normal repatriation is dealt with.
If Islam4UK really feel so strongly about the many MANY Afghan victims, and that is indeed a noble cause, then honour their loss in a dignified way. Then see the idiots try and protest about "oppressive occupation."
Just keep those English Defence League half wit thugs well away from the place.
The way to REALLY deal with this Islam4UK bunch is to treat their march through WB in exactly the same manner as a normal repatriation is dealt with.
If Islam4UK really feel so strongly about the many MANY Afghan victims, and that is indeed a noble cause, then honour their loss in a dignified way. Then see the idiots try and protest about "oppressive occupation."
Just keep those English Defence League half wit thugs well away from the place.
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Have to agree with Saskatoon. LOTS of piccies will be taken (by more than one agency, I'd suspect), to add to the already bulging database. Not possible, I know, but what would really be nice, after the event, would be for every marcher to prove his or her residency (and benefits) status. That, I suspect, would be interesting in the extreme.
As for the march itself, a well-briefed crowd, a retired RSM still possessed of his stentorian voice (maybe aided by a megaphone) - and a smartly-delivered order of "about turn!" (and absolute silence from the backs-to-the-march crowd - no exceptions) as the march approaches the high street would send a message (and provide a wonderful video clip) far more forceful than banning the march or a noisy counter demonstration.
As for the march itself, a well-briefed crowd, a retired RSM still possessed of his stentorian voice (maybe aided by a megaphone) - and a smartly-delivered order of "about turn!" (and absolute silence from the backs-to-the-march crowd - no exceptions) as the march approaches the high street would send a message (and provide a wonderful video clip) far more forceful than banning the march or a noisy counter demonstration.
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There was a time when we didn't stand on ceremony. If something needed being done, it got done. When the Brits were the world's police force and few questioned how they went about it.
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Quite a few of the Islam4UK followers were born here - it was their parents who were immigrants, and far to busy building a new life to have time for religeous or political extremism.
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Yep, let them march and enure we have lots of piccies of them and lots of very detailed checks on every single one of them. I also really like the back turning it sends a very clear message to the world, by all means have your march and we will show our thoughts on this and we will also take your piccies for posterity.
Absolutly no violence and no pigs or pig sh1t, just let them do it turn our backs include in that as many British muslims as want to come and show their disrespect at the marchers.
I dont reckon they will march its yesterdays news and he has made his point, pointless though it is - in my eyes (opinion)
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Absolutly no violence and no pigs or pig sh1t, just let them do it turn our backs include in that as many British muslims as want to come and show their disrespect at the marchers.
I dont reckon they will march its yesterdays news and he has made his point, pointless though it is - in my eyes (opinion)
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Their principle is flawed - the Wootton Bassett repats are apolitical, while Islam4UK is only choosing to march through WB for extra political capital, and that's where their argument is both flawed, but equally highly inflammatory. Personally, I don't think Choudary is ever planning to go ahead with it, and has scored enough points by simply tabling about the idea, but if he does, he'll want - expect - lots of publicity, and while the media are obliged to report, the WB community would do best to give it a good stiff ignoring, or as a sign of protest perhaps turn their backs to the 'parade'. If Choudary is intent on going ahead, he's already anticipated a far right reponse and it would be a pity to see the equally repugnant other extreme field a side and watch WB become known for its race battles and not for the impromtu and apolitical marks of respect it shows on behalf of the majority of the nation.
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The British Empire still exists - although the "Colonies" are now British Overseas Territories.
Anguilla, Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, St Helena, Ascension Island and Tristan da Cunha. There are also the Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia on Cyprus.
Fond memories of some of the warmer ones!
The British Empire still exists - although the "Colonies" are now British Overseas Territories.
Anguilla, Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, St Helena, Ascension Island and Tristan da Cunha. There are also the Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia on Cyprus.
Fond memories of some of the warmer ones!
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Congratulations - I don't think even BEagle has expressed fond memories of the British Empire. Should we subjugate a few more countries and rape their natural resources for our selfish gain?
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Let them march and ignore them.
Strange how the curtain twitchers of Bassett who grieve for those who fall fighting for free speech thousands of miles away, seem not to want it on their own doorsteps. The fact that they seem to think they are the arbiters and bastions of liberty and free speech says more about them than anything else.
Not in my name folks. I don't need the likes of you to be 'affronted' and 'outraged' on my behalf.
Not in my name folks. I don't need the likes of you to be 'affronted' and 'outraged' on my behalf.
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How about pointing out to them that they would be free to march through Colchester around 23:00 on any Saturday night ? I am sure the lads leaving the pubs would not be wearing their Red Berets...........
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What I fail to grasp is why, if they have a problem with the 'war', they don't march on Westminster/Downing Street/Parliament to express their grievance to those who are responsible.
The good citizens of WT are innocent and aggrieved bystanders in all this.
On second thoughts I do know the answer. They'd rather go for a soft target. Two words beginning with 'c' come to mind, and neither is complimentary.
The good citizens of WT are innocent and aggrieved bystanders in all this.
On second thoughts I do know the answer. They'd rather go for a soft target. Two words beginning with 'c' come to mind, and neither is complimentary.
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blimey - an excellent post that almost managed to slot me in with the Nuremberg Trials and the denial of the Holocaust.
I bet you think we'd have managed to win WWII without the Americans as well don't you?
I bet you think we'd have managed to win WWII without the Americans as well don't you?
Hows about organizing a "Bring yer Piggy To Town" day.....make it an all day event....set up a few tents....sell Pork Sauages, Sauerkraut and Pork Knuckles, Ham sandwiches, lots of beer, contests like "Best Dressed Pig", Hog Calling (get some folks from Spivey Corner, North Carolina to join in!).
It would be a hoot....really!
It would be a hoot....really!