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With all the recent talk of Joint Force Ops within the Harrier world, I wonder whether it is time for the British forces to make the next step.
Purple Ops seem to be the in-thing at the moment, and the government, under considerable financial pressure, appear to see the combination of elements from different forces as a cost cutting measure under the disguise of 'progress'. I mention again the Harrier example - what good is a GR7 on a carrier if it is there to protect the boats it flies from? No radar and a very slow airframe indeed(can it even fire Air to Air missiles?) - why don't we just use hawks? I accept that the only viable air defence system currently in the UK is from the outdated F3, but despite its GR1 airframe, the SHAR at least had a radar.
The Army Air Corps' assets could be easily absorbed into the RAF's current SH force, and remain under the control of the Joint Helicopter command. I appreciate that the pilots may need additional training at the RAF Rotary Training facility at Shawbury to bring them up to standard. All the non-commissioned aircrew could be used to fill vacancies in the NCO aircrew branches, such as WSOps.
The RAF Regiment can be given a change of name to "Airfield Defence Corps". This can bring it in line with the Joint NBC centre at Honington. The CCS training could be done as a secondary duty by a competent individual who attends yearly courses on these skills.
Despite differences in the administrative side of things between the forces, a joint method could be created taking the best aspects of each service. With foresight this could be integrated into a European style; everyone in NATO is aware that joint ops reflects the participation of many different countries, not just forces. I also see a future for an integrated digital computer claim / forms system that would reduce paperwork for the adminers.
We have already accepted the success of the Joint Intelligence centre, and the Joint Catering Establishment. With these bold steps, I am sure the combination of the rest of the forces could be a distinct possibility.
I also see a need for a specific command to be created, simply responsible for the movement and organisation of the Forces. It could be seen as a sort of 'Supply Command', and could look after everything from getting troops into the back of Hercs, to shipping missiles and bombs down to the Gulf.
As for the style of the combined forces, I think we should lose the pomposity of the Army, some of the outdated and ridiculous traditions of the Navy and concentrate on the modern outloook of the Royal Air Force as the primary influence.
As a result, I see the following points as crucial to a bright joint future:
1. Scrap the FAA.. .2. Scrap the AAC, but use the helicopters in the SH role.. .3. Hand over the RAF Regt to the Army.. .4. Continue and expand the jointery of the remaining branches within all the services, and call the finished organisation "Royal British Forces."
Obviously, this new creation would not be without teething troubles so it is crucial to have the right people at the top of the tree. I see the need for military personnel with primarily administrative experience as the ideal candidates. Political influence would also be required, so I suggest an administrator and a civil servant hand in hand at the top.
I would appreciate your thoughts.
Purple Ops seem to be the in-thing at the moment, and the government, under considerable financial pressure, appear to see the combination of elements from different forces as a cost cutting measure under the disguise of 'progress'. I mention again the Harrier example - what good is a GR7 on a carrier if it is there to protect the boats it flies from? No radar and a very slow airframe indeed(can it even fire Air to Air missiles?) - why don't we just use hawks? I accept that the only viable air defence system currently in the UK is from the outdated F3, but despite its GR1 airframe, the SHAR at least had a radar.
The Army Air Corps' assets could be easily absorbed into the RAF's current SH force, and remain under the control of the Joint Helicopter command. I appreciate that the pilots may need additional training at the RAF Rotary Training facility at Shawbury to bring them up to standard. All the non-commissioned aircrew could be used to fill vacancies in the NCO aircrew branches, such as WSOps.
The RAF Regiment can be given a change of name to "Airfield Defence Corps". This can bring it in line with the Joint NBC centre at Honington. The CCS training could be done as a secondary duty by a competent individual who attends yearly courses on these skills.
Despite differences in the administrative side of things between the forces, a joint method could be created taking the best aspects of each service. With foresight this could be integrated into a European style; everyone in NATO is aware that joint ops reflects the participation of many different countries, not just forces. I also see a future for an integrated digital computer claim / forms system that would reduce paperwork for the adminers.
We have already accepted the success of the Joint Intelligence centre, and the Joint Catering Establishment. With these bold steps, I am sure the combination of the rest of the forces could be a distinct possibility.
I also see a need for a specific command to be created, simply responsible for the movement and organisation of the Forces. It could be seen as a sort of 'Supply Command', and could look after everything from getting troops into the back of Hercs, to shipping missiles and bombs down to the Gulf.
As for the style of the combined forces, I think we should lose the pomposity of the Army, some of the outdated and ridiculous traditions of the Navy and concentrate on the modern outloook of the Royal Air Force as the primary influence.
As a result, I see the following points as crucial to a bright joint future:
1. Scrap the FAA.. .2. Scrap the AAC, but use the helicopters in the SH role.. .3. Hand over the RAF Regt to the Army.. .4. Continue and expand the jointery of the remaining branches within all the services, and call the finished organisation "Royal British Forces."
Obviously, this new creation would not be without teething troubles so it is crucial to have the right people at the top of the tree. I see the need for military personnel with primarily administrative experience as the ideal candidates. Political influence would also be required, so I suggest an administrator and a civil servant hand in hand at the top.
I would appreciate your thoughts.
I would have thought that a better title for this thread might have been "Admin Guru's Shiny Purple Head."
Look, mate, you're giving tw@ts a bad name. And you're not making the RAF look any better either.
Look, mate, you're giving tw@ts a bad name. And you're not making the RAF look any better either.
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A wonderful post, AG, and I take my hat off to you. However, I think your previous aircrew-baiting successes may have gone to your head somewhat and inspired you to aim above yourself. If I may be so bold as to offer a touch of advice - keep it simple, fella, and people will bite. Go over the top and it becomes obvious what you are trying to achieve.
I recommend you bone up on Machiavelli.
I recommend you bone up on Machiavelli.
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Do us a favour and stick to paper clips because you know c0ck all about aviation. I'm not going to repeat your drivel to point out all the trades from all 3 services you insulted in your post, needless to say that it would be wise if you stayed in your own wee world and stop stealing the oxygen from the real one.. .Don't you feel these bites lower morale even more and are destructive rather than amusing? No wonder everyone takes the pi55 out off the crabs when they have cretins like you batting for them.
And..........relax.
(Blimey, I've just defended the RAF! If that isn't jointery, I don't know what is! I'm off for a large gin
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And..........relax.
(Blimey, I've just defended the RAF! If that isn't jointery, I don't know what is! I'm off for a large gin
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Don't fret too much fellas. I know AG and the phrase ' A small man trapped in a small man's body' springs to mind. I still wonder if his parents had any children that lived.
'Do you want me to send you back to where I found you...unemployed in Greenland?'
'Do you want me to send you back to where I found you...unemployed in Greenland?'
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Admin Guru,. . please don't post again. Your ignorance is really beginning to grate.. . Oh and whilst you are busy not posting, leave the RAF and do us all a favour. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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When I served in the Senior Service, a boat was a submarine, not a surface vessel. It's very bad form and rather like calling a locomotive a train. What do they teach these people today? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Just because this thread has been posted by that t**t Admin Guru everyone is slagging it off. If someone else had posted it I'm sure there would be some more interesting answers. Some of what he/she says may come true! <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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AG - as one who, thirty six years ago, when in the Army, had to pass RAF Biggin Hill, had ex RN and RAF instructors and had my FHT with a serving Wing Commander could you tell me what evidence you have to suggest that Army aviators would need to be "brought up to RAF standard" please?
Given the overall size of Army aviation compared to RAF rotary wing, (excluding Search and Rescue), and the fact that most RAF rotary wing flying is in support of the Army then surely the logical thing to do would be to give it all to the Army, yes?
No need to remove NCO aircrew from pilots duties, most of them will go on to get a commission anyway.
If you ever get to Staff College try your theory on them. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Given the overall size of Army aviation compared to RAF rotary wing, (excluding Search and Rescue), and the fact that most RAF rotary wing flying is in support of the Army then surely the logical thing to do would be to give it all to the Army, yes?
No need to remove NCO aircrew from pilots duties, most of them will go on to get a commission anyway.
If you ever get to Staff College try your theory on them. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Here we go again. Isn't it obvious by now that he's getting off on us reacting to his daft posts? This time he's cobbled together topics that have been the subject of various studies over the past few years (although I suspect he is unaware of it).
The inaccuracy of some of his statements, and the stupidity of some (Hawks for fleet defence springs to mind - middle of the Indian Ocean, Hawks, ramp, etc) indicates his depth of knowledge and intellectual capacity. In short, he is a shallow thinker who has aspirations well above his capabilities.
Incidentally, and for AG's information, the Canadian Forces went through the jointery exercise in the early 70's and are now back to single service.
If we ignore his attempts at winding people up, he will hopefully give up and it will free up server space for more worthy topics.
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Here we go again. Isn't it obvious by now that he's getting off on us reacting to his daft posts? This time he's cobbled together topics that have been the subject of various studies over the past few years (although I suspect he is unaware of it).
The inaccuracy of some of his statements, and the stupidity of some (Hawks for fleet defence springs to mind - middle of the Indian Ocean, Hawks, ramp, etc) indicates his depth of knowledge and intellectual capacity. In short, he is a shallow thinker who has aspirations well above his capabilities.
Incidentally, and for AG's information, the Canadian Forces went through the jointery exercise in the early 70's and are now back to single service.
If we ignore his attempts at winding people up, he will hopefully give up and it will free up server space for more worthy topics.
<img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Oh for goodness sake, AG says something provocative, you lot bite, he walks away laughing and encouraged to do it again. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THESE THINGS! It's a windup. He thrives on your outraged reactions. Don't take it seriously. If you reply, accept that it's part of a game.
Please remember that it's banter - not very good banter - but banter all the same.
As for the points he's raised: I think that JHC should actually revert to the senior service. They've always been better at operating rotary.
The Harrier force should move to the Army, their primary role is, after all, ground support and the RAF tends not to understand the muddy parts of war. Harriers are a bit like expensive tanks really.
The RAF should link up with the European Space programme and become Space Cadets (oops, too late).
Navy ships should be operated by P & O (because they haven't run three aground in the last few years).
Airfield defence should actually be a Regular Army role. We can let Stabs and Crabs go off and fight for nasty sandy bits. So I agree with AG on one point.
PS Satire/bollox caption is ON!
Edited to add: FJJP you beat me to it by a breath. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
[ 01 March 2002: Message edited by: attackattackattack ]</p>
Please remember that it's banter - not very good banter - but banter all the same.
As for the points he's raised: I think that JHC should actually revert to the senior service. They've always been better at operating rotary.
The Harrier force should move to the Army, their primary role is, after all, ground support and the RAF tends not to understand the muddy parts of war. Harriers are a bit like expensive tanks really.
The RAF should link up with the European Space programme and become Space Cadets (oops, too late).
Navy ships should be operated by P & O (because they haven't run three aground in the last few years).
Airfield defence should actually be a Regular Army role. We can let Stabs and Crabs go off and fight for nasty sandy bits. So I agree with AG on one point.
PS Satire/bollox caption is ON!
Edited to add: FJJP you beat me to it by a breath. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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attack3,. .Thanks for your contribution to AG's Amazing Multi-coloured but Mainly Purple Vision.
I think there are touches of near-brilliance in AG's Purple Vision. To move in the same paragraph straight from comment on Euro defence integration to an IT system to process claims so as to make things easy for the likes of AG is actually quite funny.
AG winds the hare up and sets it running, everyone seems willing to go chasing after it.
Of course, it would be tragic if his scribblings were sincerely meant- but no-one can be that daft, can they? Can they.... <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
I think there are touches of near-brilliance in AG's Purple Vision. To move in the same paragraph straight from comment on Euro defence integration to an IT system to process claims so as to make things easy for the likes of AG is actually quite funny.
AG winds the hare up and sets it running, everyone seems willing to go chasing after it.
Of course, it would be tragic if his scribblings were sincerely meant- but no-one can be that daft, can they? Can they.... <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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There's something familiar about your style of wind-up. Does KOS ('82 - '85) mean anything to you?
BTW you seem to have done it again, well done.
PS you missed out the Royals, the Met, and Dad's Army; what have they done wrong? <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
There's something familiar about your style of wind-up. Does KOS ('82 - '85) mean anything to you?
BTW you seem to have done it again, well done.
PS you missed out the Royals, the Met, and Dad's Army; what have they done wrong? <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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The Royals are getting themselves in their own pickle without our helpful suggestions. I see that Phillip has enraged the 'Spearchucking' tribes of Australia.
Perhaps we could combine the Royals with the Met to produce morning forecasts in which Charles divines the weather by talking with his plants.
We could combine Dad's Army with MOD. This would be a sitcom situation where a group of people who are palpably unfit to be connected with the armed forces attempt to set and manage a defence policy.....Oh, my legal team tell me that this has already been done.
I hope these cover the glaring ommisions in AG's fine suggestions.
Sadly the Royal Observer Corps no longer exists. If they had been around they could monitor the flash to bang between Government Ministers telling lies and civil servants getting fired.
The Royals are getting themselves in their own pickle without our helpful suggestions. I see that Phillip has enraged the 'Spearchucking' tribes of Australia.
Perhaps we could combine the Royals with the Met to produce morning forecasts in which Charles divines the weather by talking with his plants.
We could combine Dad's Army with MOD. This would be a sitcom situation where a group of people who are palpably unfit to be connected with the armed forces attempt to set and manage a defence policy.....Oh, my legal team tell me that this has already been done.
I hope these cover the glaring ommisions in AG's fine suggestions.
Sadly the Royal Observer Corps no longer exists. If they had been around they could monitor the flash to bang between Government Ministers telling lies and civil servants getting fired.