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Old 11th Feb 2010, 12:00
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Wilson,

If you want to go WSOp, you don't actually need A levels but you do need at least 5 Cs at GCSE, including English and Maths. Whilst I'm not a recruiter, I would suggest that you might want to get one of your Ds up a grade to a C.

That said, having a few A-levels under your belt wouldn't hurt matters. It would be another year's life experience, but more importantly in a shrinking RAF it might just make you a bit more competitive than others in a similar boat to yourself. Also, you need to think what if you did get your GCSEs sorted, got in as a WSOp but failed the training. If you went back to civilian life, a lack of A-levels would be a significant impediment in today's economic climate when you have degree holders serving burgers in McDonalds.

Even if you did stay on to finish your A-levels, I think you will need to get that final C at GCSE nailed as that is the minimum requirement.

Have a look here for the official line: http://http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/jobs/aircrew.cfm
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 14:46
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wilson,

you may want to ask around but ive read on other forums that RAF has stopped recruiting for WSOp this year. im in the proocess at the moment but not sure whats happening, maybe its just a rumour?

If anyone is out there who knows if RAF is still recruiting for WSOp please let us know.

And yes definately go for your A levels !!!
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risk is adventure,

It seems most of the branches have stopped recruiting for the time being, a couple of friends have been told not to bother for the time being. I've got a mate that's been on the waiting lists for about 6-8months now, just waiting for the engineering slot to open up (he's already passed selection).
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 16:22
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WSOp

I can confirm that WSOp is not currently available. Current forecast is that it may open up again in Jan 11.
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 16:33
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The application process has recently changed slightly.

Once people are at the stage where they are ready to submit an application, regardless of the trade or branch being available yet, they should call the number below and register their details. Once the trade or branch does become available, they will be sent an E-mail with application forms. These forms are then sent back by return of E-mail for eligibility checking. Once all has been checked, the candidate is sent a letter informing them to contact their nearest AFCO. The Candidate then has 2 weeks to get in touch to arrange testing or interviews. If nothing is heard within that 2 week period, the case is closed by the AFCO and the application is withdrawn. So, keep an eye on the E-mails and once advised to, make haste to the AFCO!

RAF Careers Line – 0845 8508050
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 22:08
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Hi everyone,

I've posted here in the past and have always been given great advice. I've always wanted to join as a pilot and applied just over a year ago. I was told I had potential but needed to gain some more leadership experience. Problem is I'm currently doing a job where I work varied shifts that I can't pick and choose as I like. I work whatever shifts they give me and I only find out sometimes a day or two before the week commences what I'll be working. Therefore, I find it very difficult to plan anything outside of work.

Has anyone got any advise on what I should do? I've been looking for something a little more flexible/part time so that I can concentrate more on building on my weaknesses.

Any ideas? Cheers
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 00:16
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Twice on here in 24 hrs, must be feeling benevolent! However, I understand your predicament, had a similar one when I applied as I was in the final stages of my MSc, so passing the course was a higher priority than jumping through various OASC hoops.

However, if you genuinely can't do much outside of work owing to random shift patterns, then you need to work out how you can develop in your work environment and put it over in that context.

If it helps any, we have just been told they have changed how our leadership should be assessed when it comes to annual report time, and now CAS wants reporting officers to focus on the following leadership attributes:

Effective leadership at all levels and across all ranks will be key to the Service’s success in meeting the challenges of new technology, expeditionary warfare, structural changes to the defence organisation, an increasingly diverse workforce and changes in wider society that affect our people and those we seek to recruit.

The view of the RAF Leadership Centre aligns with that of the Defence Leadership and Management Centre (DLMC), in that the possession of any particular set of attributes or characteristics does not guarantee success in leadership and no list is exhaustive. However, any organisation seeks a particular contribution from its leaders and the following list of attributes outlines those required by the RAF. This list does not contradict those attributes identified by the DLMC but rather complements them.

Warfighter, Courageous All our personnel, commissioned or non-commissioned must be, first and foremost, warfighters and second specialists, though they may be second to none in their specialisation. The distinction between the front line and the support area will become increasingly blurred and all of us need to be military minded and of a determined fighting spirit to overcome the adversity of circumstances that any of us may face in operations. Physical courage is expected of all leaders, as far as each is able to give, but we must nurture moral courage to do the right thing.

Emotionally Intelligent Self-awareness is one of the key foundations of effective leadership. Leaders who know themselves will be able to develop self-control and subsequently understand the needs of others. This will enable them to manage relationships at all levels better and remain calm under pressure. Thus individuals will be able to function as part of a wider team, invariably multidisciplinary, increasingly joint and often multinational, in the delivery of military capability.

Flexible and Responsive In a world that is now changing faster than ever, where technology is advancing rapidly, the RAF needs leaders who are flexible in approach and able to consider new ways of doing things. RAF leaders must be open minded, responsive to change, constantly looking for the opportunities that change brings and be able to cope with the discomfort that is associated with change.

Willing to Take Risks The RAF needs leaders who understand the difference between a gamble and a risk and are willing to take measured risks in appropriate areas without abrogating responsibility. This will be achieved if leaders at all levels fulfil 2 roles: they must themselves set the example in this regard and must develop an ethos where a failure to act is considered a more serious fault than making a mistake.

Mentally Agile – Physically Robust Our leaders need to be able to handle complex and multifarious problems and have the creativity and mental agility to move quickly between various concepts. Their thinking must be innovative and their minds receptive. They must be physically robust and able to withstand the strain of operations, so that their mental capacity does not fail them under stress.

Able to Handle Ambiguity Ambiguity pervades our lives and becomes prevalent with the Clauswitzian ‘friction’ that causes the fog of war. At the more junior levels of leadership there may be little ambiguity but at the highest levels it is considerable. Our leaders must be able to handle it and, if possible, turn it to their advantage.

Politically and Globally Astute Leaders will be more effective depending upon their aptitude in two areas. The first is their ability to understand and thus cope with the politics of their immediate environment and, hence, their ability to influence those around them. Similarly, a leader’s awareness of much wider issues at a national and international level, and their ability to put their actions and decisions into the context of air power and air warfare, is crucial.

Technologically Competent The RAF culture has always been to embrace new technology. It behoves all members of the RAF to be competent within their specialisation and many, at various stages of their career, will need to display considerable expertise. Yet, in the age of Network Enabled Capability, this may not be enough. Leaders must strive to keep pace with technological advances on a broad front, through a focus on continual personal development, so as to ensure its most effective application.

Able to Lead tomorrow’s Recruit As society develops, each new generation of recruits to the RAF is different. They have been seen by some as worse – Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. (Socrates - 469 BC - 399 BC) – t'was always thus. Leaders must recognise the qualities the new generation brings and must learn the leadership skills that will allow them to maximise their potential. Everyone in the chain of command needs to understand the new generation, be able to lead and inspire them so that in their turn they will lead the RAF to new heights of excellence
Like it or not, that is how I as a serving officer am now assessed on my leadership by my bosses. It is probably slightly different to that expected of an Army officer and is no doubt a lot less shouty and more dare I say it, thoughtful - as rightly befits a high tech fighting organisation in the 21st Century.

Put yourself forward for positions of responsibility at work and work on the attributes highlighted above in the context of those positions of responsibility. If they ask about it at the AFCO and OASC, tell them those are the current doctinal thoughts on RAF leadership from their very own Leadership Centre!

http://http://www.raf.mod.uk/RAFLead...attributes.cfm
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 16:37
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Evening all,Ok, I'm in quite a prediciment at the moment.Basically I'm currently studying for my AS levels at college (which I have to say is s**t)So I've been looking at the RAF webby and looking at a possible career as a WSOp.I have the minimum required grades 5 A*-C, but if I decided to quit my AS levels now, would the RAF look down upon me as unmotivated to achieve, or could I simply explain that I wanted a career in the Air Force ASAP (obviously extending on the answer)orShould I look around for another studying centre and re-do my A levels somewhere else, but I'm 18 now and that would mean finishing around age 20-21 meaning I would be having to pay for education also.I have a part time job, hoping to work my way up the management system for more money and experience, but the pay is poor.So this is my situation, has anyone been is the same situation before, I could really do with your advice.ThanksNathan
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 16:43
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As posted 4 posts ago...

I can confirm that WSOp is not currently available. Current forecast is that it may open up again in Jan 11.
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 06:46
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Originally Posted by NDW
studying for my AS levels at college (which I have to say is s**t) . . . if I decided to quit my AS levels now, would the RAF look down upon me as unmotivated to achieve,
It might send the messages that you are motivationally limited and academically challenged.

Should I look around for another studying centre and re-do my A levels somewhere else, but I'm 18 now and that would mean finishing around age 20-21 meaning I would be having to pay for education also
This would support your contention that your present college is poor, but unless you then produce the required A-levels, the first assumption would remain valid.

Now if you do switch and you do press on to 21 and you do pass that would indicate good motivation and go somewhere to showing you were not academically challenged./ At interview you would need to explain why you were 21 and not 18 when you got your A-levels. A well argued case could be a bonus.
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 23:05
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I'm in quite a prediciment at the moment.Basically I'm currently studying for my AS levels at college (which I have to say is s**t)So I've been looking at the RAF webby and looking at a possible career as a WSOp.
So what are you going to do if you come across a hard or difficult part of RAF life? Are you just going to abandon ship as well?

I went to High School, it was sh*t. I went to University, it was sh*t. I worked in a supermarket, it was sh*t. I worked in a huge firm being abused every week by moron customers while trying to afford my PPL on student wages, it was sh*t.

Life is sh*t sometimes, but if you have a goal in life sometimes that's just what you have to do. You only live once, try and get everything done rather than starting and stopping all of the time.

You just need to work hard and hope the grass is greener on the other side.
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 10:26
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This thread will be closed within the next two days. The new thread with the same name will be opened with a post by a senior officer with his name as 'OASC' - therefore representing it.

When you find this thread closed please move to the new one.
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 11:55
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PPrune Pop - have you had a chance to look at my earlier post about those interested in Dark Blue/Green aviation?

Will there be official reps able to answer on behalf of the FAA and AAC?
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 12:08
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I agree with AA, it would be great to have FAA/AAC reps on the forum.
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