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RAF POLICE -Waste of time?

Old 16th Jun 2001, 16:48
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The other day the vehicle I was travelling in was stopped by the RAF Police for failing to come to a complete halt at a stop sign, despite they’re being no traffic around. The young Cpl was very polite and informed the driver of the offence stating that this time a warning had been issued but next time the offence would be reported to the authorities and civilian court action taken. WHAT!!!!!! since when have been able to prosecute for driving offences carried out on private roads? If any one else has any information please let us all know here at RAF Odiham. At the moment every other day 2-3 RAF Police are out with speed guns etc stopping motorists. If only they would spend their time on trying to find the thieves and real criminals that unfortunately are on our station. They allegedly have no time to patrol off base AMQ! I could think of other things they could with their time. I don't condone speeding or other traffic offences on the station but the question has to be asked, Has someone got their priorities right?
 
Old 16th Jun 2001, 18:42
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This situation is clearly nonsense, however, they are not private roads. Technically the civvy police could do their own checks on RAF Stns, but they leave the 'self-policing' (excuse the pun) to the RAF/MoD authorities. You can get done for booze driving on Stn! The point here is that it is sad that the RAF plod have nothing more satisfing to do.

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Old 16th Jun 2001, 21:06
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Could be wrong here, but....


You can't get done for drink driving on an RAF Stn. You can however get done for not obeying Stn Standing Orders that specify DD is not allowed. In the ARmy that means you have to have acces to Stn Standing Orders but in the RAF such an offence is taken to be common knowledge. (presumably because we're more intelligent than Grunt)

What are the consequences of further speeding?

Can RAF plod get your licence? RAF plod are not a constabulary in their own right but personally I wouldn't want to take them on and continue working for HM - it could be awkward.

Solution - get up earlier in the morning you lazy bu**er and stop endangering Lizzies aeroplanes with your hot-rodding. Plod is always right!!!! P.S. I heard you applied the breaks in an offensive manner.
 
Old 16th Jun 2001, 21:35
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Hi Ramp Monkey,

Unfortunately you can get done on MoD Property.

2 years ago a Navy Chief in Portsmouth Naval Base got done by the Plod after they clocked him with their ray gun doing 5mph over the 20mph limit.

Got a 40 fine and 3 points

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Old 16th Jun 2001, 21:55
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Thanks folks the info guys. Like i said I'm not condoning bad driving or breaking of rules and regulations I just think the threat of Civilian prosecution is not the best way around the problem and possibly not entirely true. I’m seeking legal advise (from the bill ) just out of curiosity and just in case!


 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 00:59
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Gotta agree with you Guys. Don't worry however because according to the Telegraph 85% of RAFP have only got 18 months left in uniform.(Well RAF uniform that is, but I hear that Sainsburys need Security guards)
 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 01:36
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Unfortunately the RAFP have got jurisdiction over some roads off camp by arrangement with the local plods. At Leeming they can book you up to the roundabout by the A1 and at Dishforth they are using radar guns on the public road leading up to the gate. Whether or not this has been tested in court I don't know but I'm not going to be a guinea pig. (no pun intended)

PS did you know that if pigs could fly, Scotland Yard would be Londons 4th airport.
 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 03:39
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Do what an ex-colleague of mine did when the RAF plods aimed their speed gun at him in NI on the Aldergrove southern peri track.

He sped up, went straight to the guardroom and told them that there was a suspected IRA shoot set up on the airfield because someone had aimed a weapon at him.

The station guard was deployed and all hell broke lose for the next half hour as they tried to round each other up.

Lovely stuff.
 
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Old 17th Jun 2001, 04:03
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I am told from a good source that at Ald there are only two places the RAFP can officially do you with a speed gun (calibration and all that malarkey).
Again, I don't condone speeding and breaking the law but I disagree with anal-retentive rozzers.

I do agree with being stopped for speeding around MQ's but find it pointless and counter productive for being stopped doing 34 mph in a '30 limit' on a clear road up to C site, away from children and small mammals. I have however 'followed' RAFP vehicles through MQ area whilst abiding by 30 mph limit (usually doing -20 mph) only to see said porkmobile disappearing over the horizon clocking far greater than 40 on many occasion. Should I report them to the authorities? Only if I wish to be rectaly examined every time I go to work. Keep up the fight against terrorism, RAFP!
 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 08:31
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A mate (JEFTS) was banned from taking his car onto Fenton last year (for the duration of his course, I think), after being caught speeding on-Stn by the cops there.
 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 16:32
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Ramp,
it is pretty sad that this is how the RAFP entertain themselves. However, if you don't just take it on the chin, it will open a whole can of worms. Whether it comes back to haunt you or other pers on your Stn. The RAFP have got time in abundance to impose nif-naf rules, where as the rest of us have limited time to work round them.
 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 17:31
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I'm no authority but I believe the regulations governing speeding are fairly tight. The radar gun needs to have been calibrated within a short timescale (24hrs?) and there needs to be at least one witness other than the fed pointing the gun. The 'offence' can then be reported to the perp's CO or passed on to the civvy bill; who would most probably tell the Snowdrops that they were too busy chasing criminals to be bothered.

See also:
http://www.residentlawyer.com/motori...ding/index.htm
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Old 17th Jun 2001, 19:00
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The RAFP have no jurisdiction whatsoever off military property. The civilian police have no right to 'grant' them authority over a stretch of public road outside the camp. However, they do have the right to stop you in an MT vehicle on the public road. However, what is the legality of the RAFP to use their blues and twos on the public highway? I think in NI they have to have a civilian policeman travelling with them, who IS in a position of authority to grant them use of the emergency lights/sirens.

So if you get stopped by a plod in your private car on a public road, you can do him in a civil action for false imprisonment.

On base, they have the authority of Station Standing Orders and MAFL to get you - so don't bother to argue. However, what are the regulations for calibrating police car speedometers? I rather suspect you could get away with it given a good lawyer. However, civil action? - I don't think so.

By the way, I have no difficulty in my dealings with our RAFP brethern. It's a sh&&ty job, but someone's got do do it.

Any RAFP chap/chapess care to comment on the above (complete with references to the appropriate documents, of course)?


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Old 17th Jun 2001, 21:26
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Moving Vehicle Offences.......Luxury!

Percy Pilot RTBs from a 48hr FOB, hands in his gats and heads for the Mess for a heroes well deserved glass of refreshment. However, on going thru the main gate he is stopped by the the RAFP and cautioned, under PACE, for.....wait for it.....not using the Zebra Crossing

FIAT JUSTITIA RUAT CAELUM

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Old 17th Jun 2001, 22:29
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Or indeed the wrong half of the gate at 2330 hrs. "It's in the hinterests hof your hown safety, sir!" Aldergrove, March 01.
 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 22:37
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I've been caught speeding or just tearing up the tarmac by Military Police, Orderly dog etc on both RAF and Army bases several times in years gone by. Accepting that I had indeed trangressed (usually at night, 60mph+) and humbly said sorry, I found that I got a boll#cking or encouraged to refrain in future.

Perhaps times have changed.
 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 22:51
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St John's

FIAT JUSTITIA RUAT CAELUM

you must of been a live when that was the language of the day.

 
Old 17th Jun 2001, 22:55
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Be fair boys - the feds are only doing their jobs. Aircrew types moan like bloody buggery about every minor obstacle to their particular task, however enjoy spondulicks and luxuries that your average Snowdrop can only dream about. As 12-13 said, treat 'em with respect, and you should be OK. We've all got a job to do - even Nav's.

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Old 18th Jun 2001, 01:03
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No, the job of aircrew is not to make everyone elses life a misery (unless they're Billy-no-mates in a Harrier of course).

If those good for nothing pin-head coppers wanted greater 'rewards' form their job they... altogether now... Should've worked harder at school

In any case, speeding ain't dangerous. Wearing a frickin' hat whilst drivin' is dangerous, but not speeding.

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Old 18th Jun 2001, 02:05
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