Flying coverall availability
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Buy american kit? Once our system gets hold of that, it would probably struggle to issue a service deviation and that would be after years of extensive testing. Rather like the NVG lip light issue. The AAC withdrew all lip lights recently because of no service deviation. All of a sudden the apache pilots have been issued with them and an SD has been produced. Even spookier is the rumour that after 10 years of illegal use an SD for their use in Lynx might be issued. Probably nothing to do with the fact that the issuer is the next OC of the NI Lynx unit.
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going back to fly suits and the lack of them. why not stop giving them to the bloody tristar crews especially the cabin crew. that would save us a few and make those queens wear aprons like they should.
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How many of us have ever handed a suit back because it had been worn out due to nornmal wear and tear? In 20 odd years of wearing them I have had to change them due to either damage or a developing body shape. Worn out? never.. .. .AG - not wearing a flying suit when not flying does not increase/maintain its life if it is used carefully when not flying. It will get damaged by the aircraft (locking wire and sharp edge tears, fuel and oil drips, sweat stains from the sim, etc) before it wears out due to sitting on a bar stool while taking the p~ss out of prats like you.. .. .Will you keep your ferkin nose out of this....
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Standing room - if a person flies full time, militarily- air steward included - that person should wear a flying suit. Its about wearing appropriate clothing in the working environment. Cabin fires, fuel spills, etc, are not selective in which aircraft they occur.. .. .Its up to the RAF to get their sh#t in a sock and get everybody properly dressed. Sure, we should not allow suits to be issued to non entitled persons. But that might save a only handful in the next few months.
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Other than some arse saying it isnt allowed, Service Deviation/ Blah Blah. Why not just wear C95, it would be the first sensible thing anybody has done about flying clothing in years! and before some dull fart starts talking about crashes and burning and sewing on knife patches etc, please get a life.
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So Super Stacker:. ."1. Take the flying suits off those NOT flying - includes Trolley Dollys, Police, UKMAMS, in fact any plank who wants to 'look' like skygods". .. ....and remove all aircrew wristwatches, ProBoots, Windproofs, aircrew polonecks, flying gloves et al from not-so-Super Stackers.. .Quote from forward delivery driver upon being questioned as to why he was wearing full windproofs inc the trousers to drive a Transit van.... ."It gets windy on the airfield"
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Radalt and the rest - completely agree - nothing hacks me off more than that - I don't mind someone getting the right kit for the job, but stuff like watches & the rest - silly.. .As for previous 'right kit for job' posts - do the PAX fly in flying suits? Then why should the air stewards - don't remember the last mid air flash fire that claimed the life of an un-flying-suited civvy air steward. Flying suits are protective clothing specific for certain jobs & environments, not just easier to wear cos there's no buttons and good to swank in.. .. .Imagine just getting the right kit - not the best, not the cheapest, just the right kit....I have a dream......... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="redface.gif" />
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Having read two pages of this thread, I am amazed that no-one has come to this conclusion. Call me a "bluff old traditionalist" if you will, but, at a "rather large secret base" in Oxon, the aircrew actually fly AIRLINERS! Admittedly, one of the types is older than most who post at P.Prune. Here is an idea: - for A.T. tasks wear Blue Uniform!! Hey Presto!! More time for the squippers to service our flying suits!.........It has worked for the last 30 years, and is good enough for V.I.P. and Royal Duties. Or am I being too cynical?
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Well if AT want to wear flying suits , should they also do courses such as the A course or desert survival? . .If you were the enemy and managed to shoot down a tristar flying tactical at 30,000ft (as they quote in RAF News) would you want to or even try to catch the fools onboard. (thats if it even landed in one bit.)
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OK you are a bluff old traditionalist,. . . .Nice thought and at the sleepy hollow you refer to probably eminantly sensible, however at the RAF's "main" AT base, a little south west of you, we would never be able to wear blue as Albert would tear it to shreds in no time at all. And the prospect of our female aircrew clambering over 70 or 80 items of "walking freight", in a nice blue skirt, in search of a curtained off loo....well I ask you.... .. .Super Stacker, two words that really don't belong together, you have answered your own question young man. The "air" steward, like the Alm and the Eng and the Nav and the Pilots is part of the "air" crew and is therefore, and quite rightly so, entitled to wear the appropriate "air" crew clothing whilst on duty in the "air"craft. If local policy further dictates that "air"crew can consider their flying clothing as normal working dress is it any wonder they wear it continuously as it is with out doubt far more comfortable than any version of the blue uniform I wore for 15 years prior to remustering to ALM. . .. .As for the criticism of our "Navel" asset, if you want/have to spend your spare time looking like every other "seaman stains" then please carry on, but as long as polilcy allows us professional aviators to look the part at every oppertunity why should we not do so? . .. .Happy Herc Mate. .. .any spelling mistakes are alcohol induced. . . . <small>[ 12 March 2002, 11:43: Message edited by: Always_broken_in_wilts ]</small>
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> As for the criticism of our "Navel" asset, if you want/have to spend your spare time looking like every other "seaman stains" then please carry on, but as long as polilcy allows us professional aviators to look the part at every oppertunity why should we not do so? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Firstly, its "Naval", secondly Daily Working Rig is your uniform, not your SE, and finally that is the reason you have ran out of flying overalls. As for professional, I can safely say you are the most professional overall wearers I have seen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />
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Blessed Beard;. .. .I put it to you...young/old man, that if Herc pilots want to dress as LoadMasters, then they can certainly do so. I seem to recall that it is harder to clamber over pallets, bags, pax etc than to sit and play with my AutoPilot in a furry seat.. .. .I hasten to add, that I am not good/skilfull enough to join the 2 wing master race. I look up to them except when the Co is trying to hold on to the bar floor in case he falls off.. .. .regards....SFS
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Also...while I'm at it.... .. .It is Station/Squadron policy for all operating crew to look similar...image and all that.. .. .And from a Flt Safety point of view...after the accident. It makes it easier for the Rescue services to ident the crew from the freight!!!. .. .Regards...SFS
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Black Beard.........(tongue firmly in cheek) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . .. .Oh that I were clever enough, or good looking enough for that matter to be a two winged sky god. But I'm not and I settle for the lot I have and feel priveledged to be able to wear the same clothes as my lords and masters as my daily rig.. .. .As for "JS" if, when not flying, he has to dress the same as the rest of the semen then it must be down to one of those fairly antiquated navel regs, like rubber rings and the grass. Ho hum . .. .Happy Herc Mate. .. .all spelling mistakes are alcohol induced. . . . <small>[ 12 March 2002, 22:38: Message edited by: Always_broken_in_wilts ]</small>
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Obviously my last post was tongue in cheek, but I believe that all aircrew (including loadies) should wear the suitable clothing for the job, and if that happens to be a flying suit then so be it. It is a sad indication of our armed forces if its personnel are forced to argue amoungst themselves as to who gets to wear a flying suit. Having stocks of suitable clothing seems like a basic, essential prerequisite of any organisation. Next you'll be telling me that the armys' radios and rifles don't work. . .. .The coverall shortage isn't due to VC10 crews (or loadies)wearing it, but because of a government and hierachy that seems, at best, unable to foresee the obvious.. .. .There also seems to be a problem within the RAF from ground trades resenting aircrew for wearing their flying suits-which seems quite sad. Of couse aircrew wear flying suits: they fly! (RAF police wear white caps, why can't navigators?) Nobody in the RAF was forced to join or do their current trade, so a swift removal of all chips from shoulders is long overdue. . .. .Not having enough of the basic kit is frankly embarrasing as it highlights just how poor things have become.. .. .Rant over!
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BB,. .. .Could'nt have put it better myself, but as we don't do ISS etc, no surprises there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Happy Herc Mate. .. .all spelling mistakes are alcohol induced. . . . <small>[ 13 March 2002, 13:16: Message edited by: Always_broken_in_wilts ]</small>
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I hate to be pedantic, but grobags for crabs is/are uniform. Should you consult AP 1358 - RAF Dress Regulations, you will find at Chapter 6 that flying suits are No 14 Home Dress. Even the awful, posy biker jacket is there as No 14C. Nuff said?. .. .Shouldn't AG know that,rather than have to be told by a gentleman aviator such as ...... moi!
