Is It Time To Make This Forum A Closed One??
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There are some of us who are to thick to fly military jets, but have a huge interest in whats happening in a service we were once involved in. Remember, if you had to fix it yourself or protect your own airfield, you wouldn't be flying now.
The possible security breaches that sometimes arise are invariably posted by persons who know no better, and the simplest way to prevent them is to ignore.
Additionally, think of the number of potential OASC candidates who have been give a warts and all insight into life in a grow bag.
Keep it open. Please
The possible security breaches that sometimes arise are invariably posted by persons who know no better, and the simplest way to prevent them is to ignore.
Additionally, think of the number of potential OASC candidates who have been give a warts and all insight into life in a grow bag.
Keep it open. Please
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Thanks for your encouragement fobotsco. I did think about setting up a web-site for ranks in the RAF to have a good moan anonymously, but I just know that some sneaky-beaky computer security section would hunt me down like a dog, then I'd be booted out for bringing the Service into disrepute, or some other QR. I think I'll stick to pprune thought, it's very entertaining!! 
For persons who want this forum Closed Down to gen use the word ELITISM comes to mind.. .PLEASE DO NOT RESTRICT IT FOR A FEW.. . <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Fobotsco,
Since you've chosen to personalise this and throw around unfounded accusations, allow me to defend myself.
What you called 'sabotaging' the 11/9 thread was merely an attempt to alert all to the root causes of US unpopularity (which made the WTC outrage possible) and to highlight the suffering of the Palestinians - then being rocketed by IDF helicopter gunships (plus ça change, eh?). Moreover, a small minority of serving aircrew types expressed similar views on that and other threads. I don't doubt your sincerity in believeing that Israel is a model democracy defending itself with honour against a nasty terrorist threat who have no right on their side, but I'd hope you'd acknowledge that such a position is just as controversial as mine.
You also accuse me of 'fishing', which is inaccurate. I do use PPR to help keep my finger on the pulse, but it seldom alerts me to a story, and I never use anything from here that I can't confirm through other sources.
I may be an intemperate, foul mouthed and occasionally belligerant contributor, but some see some of my posts as entertaining, and even useful, and many are generous enough to think that I (as a generally sympathetic pro Defence journo, current PPL and ex-UAS bod) have as much right to post and read here as you do, as a retired ex RAF chap. And anyone who doesn't think I'm a useful contributor doesn't have to read it, though the less blinkered would do so and THEN decide that I'm a to$$er!
Since you've chosen to personalise this and throw around unfounded accusations, allow me to defend myself.
What you called 'sabotaging' the 11/9 thread was merely an attempt to alert all to the root causes of US unpopularity (which made the WTC outrage possible) and to highlight the suffering of the Palestinians - then being rocketed by IDF helicopter gunships (plus ça change, eh?). Moreover, a small minority of serving aircrew types expressed similar views on that and other threads. I don't doubt your sincerity in believeing that Israel is a model democracy defending itself with honour against a nasty terrorist threat who have no right on their side, but I'd hope you'd acknowledge that such a position is just as controversial as mine.
You also accuse me of 'fishing', which is inaccurate. I do use PPR to help keep my finger on the pulse, but it seldom alerts me to a story, and I never use anything from here that I can't confirm through other sources.
I may be an intemperate, foul mouthed and occasionally belligerant contributor, but some see some of my posts as entertaining, and even useful, and many are generous enough to think that I (as a generally sympathetic pro Defence journo, current PPL and ex-UAS bod) have as much right to post and read here as you do, as a retired ex RAF chap. And anyone who doesn't think I'm a useful contributor doesn't have to read it, though the less blinkered would do so and THEN decide that I'm a to$$er!
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Please don't close it down
When I was 18, I made the worst decision of my life at OASC, when the board informed me, that as a result of my medical, I couldn't fly FJ's (First and only choice). They gave me time to think about it, I threw all my toys out of my pram, and didn't join the mighty blue. I've regretted it ever since.
It's good to keep up with what's going on, and to read comments from people, that I may well have ended up serving with. Also, as others have pointed out, there are a fair selection of wannabees interested in a GD (Air) career, and the comments and information here, do give them a better insight into life at the sharp end.On that point, it pains me to see people biting so readily on Admin G's posts. He did it, to get a rise out of aircrew,and to try and highlight the them and us attitude and it worked.Word of advice AG, try that with an Army audience, you will lose teeth, I guarantee it.
As regards "Pride" I think the TV ADS thread, was a good example of how Military and Non-Military people felt.
My own thread "Bring him home" regarding the Spitfire and Pilot in a lake in Austria, got more reaction on this board, then anywhere else I posted it, including the "Vintage forum" where it appeared, people would rather talk about the glorious days of the "Imperial Airpower Club" then recovering the body of a PFJ that made the sacrifice.
Yes, I am a wingless brown job mate. I have a PPL, and a few hours, and in my past , some fast jet time,with a foreign air force I was buying FJ's from, for american customers, so at least, I have had a taste of what I missed.
I have flown with the USAF and RAF Albert fleets, indulged out of Brize, been picked up from some hillside in dead of night by Navy and RAF helicopter crews, and admired their work, and was always left with the thought...."British Forces, nothing finer"
Sorry for the rambling, not had my coffee yet.......
Tony
When I was 18, I made the worst decision of my life at OASC, when the board informed me, that as a result of my medical, I couldn't fly FJ's (First and only choice). They gave me time to think about it, I threw all my toys out of my pram, and didn't join the mighty blue. I've regretted it ever since.
It's good to keep up with what's going on, and to read comments from people, that I may well have ended up serving with. Also, as others have pointed out, there are a fair selection of wannabees interested in a GD (Air) career, and the comments and information here, do give them a better insight into life at the sharp end.On that point, it pains me to see people biting so readily on Admin G's posts. He did it, to get a rise out of aircrew,and to try and highlight the them and us attitude and it worked.Word of advice AG, try that with an Army audience, you will lose teeth, I guarantee it.
As regards "Pride" I think the TV ADS thread, was a good example of how Military and Non-Military people felt.
My own thread "Bring him home" regarding the Spitfire and Pilot in a lake in Austria, got more reaction on this board, then anywhere else I posted it, including the "Vintage forum" where it appeared, people would rather talk about the glorious days of the "Imperial Airpower Club" then recovering the body of a PFJ that made the sacrifice.
Yes, I am a wingless brown job mate. I have a PPL, and a few hours, and in my past , some fast jet time,with a foreign air force I was buying FJ's from, for american customers, so at least, I have had a taste of what I missed.
I have flown with the USAF and RAF Albert fleets, indulged out of Brize, been picked up from some hillside in dead of night by Navy and RAF helicopter crews, and admired their work, and was always left with the thought...."British Forces, nothing finer"
Sorry for the rambling, not had my coffee yet.......
Tony
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This site must remain open to all. Many who are not Service/Ex-Service gain much of an insight into life inside - good and bad. It is a source of valuable comment to wannabes, and keeps those long out in touch with the feelings of those still in.
With regard to security, there are enough of us who are quick enough to mail Danny to warn him of potential breaches/danger subjects. Danny is very good at listening to those in the know and will, without hesitation, kill a thread after he has been notified.
Jacko, ignore the protagonists - keep at it. I do not believe you would cr*p all over those of us who post.
SACSmith. Think long and hard about getting a monk on and throwing in the towel. Yes, there is much not right out there, but there is a lot of good people, too. Have you thought about having a heart-to-heart with your chief or deputy chief clerk? Many of us throughout the years (36 in my case) have thought that someone has had a down on us, only to find that we have mis-read the situation.
In short, this forum is invaluable to those of us who wish to comment. One of the greatest strengths of a democratic society is that we can hold our own views, however unpalatable they may be to others.
Just don’t get personal.
Good session at the pub this lunchtime, but the sentiments are from the heart.
With regard to security, there are enough of us who are quick enough to mail Danny to warn him of potential breaches/danger subjects. Danny is very good at listening to those in the know and will, without hesitation, kill a thread after he has been notified.
Jacko, ignore the protagonists - keep at it. I do not believe you would cr*p all over those of us who post.
SACSmith. Think long and hard about getting a monk on and throwing in the towel. Yes, there is much not right out there, but there is a lot of good people, too. Have you thought about having a heart-to-heart with your chief or deputy chief clerk? Many of us throughout the years (36 in my case) have thought that someone has had a down on us, only to find that we have mis-read the situation.
In short, this forum is invaluable to those of us who wish to comment. One of the greatest strengths of a democratic society is that we can hold our own views, however unpalatable they may be to others.
Just don’t get personal.
Good session at the pub this lunchtime, but the sentiments are from the heart.
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Well Well Well!!!!!
Just when I thought that I'd had my 15 minutes of fame. Perhaps though with t@s*ers like the Admin Guru around, it's time to consider my original suggestion again, yes??
As for my £80K retention package, I had a good laugh there. I am a Spec Aircrew Plastic Sergeant,(on reserved rights!!) I am therefore NOT considered to be Professional Aircrew, by my lords and masters. So I wont be receiving any future bonuses, (other than the x2 £5K payments for 01 and 02. How they can justify paying me £10K to stay in until Apr 03 and then say there isn't a problem, I frankly don't know!!
What I DO know is that I can do far more damage by being a disgruntled non-professional. No more good will!! Don't get mad - get even!! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Just when I thought that I'd had my 15 minutes of fame. Perhaps though with t@s*ers like the Admin Guru around, it's time to consider my original suggestion again, yes??
As for my £80K retention package, I had a good laugh there. I am a Spec Aircrew Plastic Sergeant,(on reserved rights!!) I am therefore NOT considered to be Professional Aircrew, by my lords and masters. So I wont be receiving any future bonuses, (other than the x2 £5K payments for 01 and 02. How they can justify paying me £10K to stay in until Apr 03 and then say there isn't a problem, I frankly don't know!!
What I DO know is that I can do far more damage by being a disgruntled non-professional. No more good will!! Don't get mad - get even!! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Ooh Gorilla, you are a bitter person,
Close this forum and I really can't see anyone using it apart from you maybe to rant and rave about a service which has essentially given you a secure and well paid job.
I for one don't really care about FRI as I enjoy being a Military Aviator!!!!
Perhaps you cannot see the light for the urm mist! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
Close this forum and I really can't see anyone using it apart from you maybe to rant and rave about a service which has essentially given you a secure and well paid job.
I for one don't really care about FRI as I enjoy being a Military Aviator!!!!
Perhaps you cannot see the light for the urm mist! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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I wanna know what is going on too....gave me the chance to sign the petition,not that I changed the world thereby,but it did make me feel really good.. .4233106 <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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Yes, Yes! For Gawd's sake close the bloody thing down. Then I might be able to get the old sod out of his den and doing some of the many jobs that await his attention!
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keep it open.. .I agree with Chimbu Chuckles...great fun reading you guys wailing at each other..especially that guru the admin guy...(everyone in the ME who reads this is SURE he is a FJ guy)
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There is no way we could make this a closed forum, for the simple reason there is no reasonable way of verifying if someone is actually an active military pilot. The RAF *might* tell us but what about the Israeli AF?!
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As a retired old f@rt I too miss the top banter from my RAF days (especially blunty-baiting). Closing this forum to us lot would be unfair (unless we had a 'sandbags and lanterns' forum??
Besides we all know media read this so wny deny those trapped inside the chance to drop their lord and master(bater)s in it??
Besides we all know media read this so wny deny those trapped inside the chance to drop their lord and master(bater)s in it??
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Aw, c'mon Jacko, where's your sense of humour? You know you love it!
I have so far given no indication of my position re Israel vs Palestine but will gladly do so now. I hope that there will one day be a Nation State called Palestine living in harmony with its neighbours and that that end will be achieved without further bloodshed. So call me a romantic idealist.
But when a Condolences Thread in memory of a particular victim or group of victims of an atrocity is opened - our version of a Book of Remembrance - it is quite inappropriate to dilute the sentiments expressed by making political points about a different atrocity even if they can be related to each other. The innocent dead of any atrocity deserve that much respect.
Now let's loosen up! <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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I have so far given no indication of my position re Israel vs Palestine but will gladly do so now. I hope that there will one day be a Nation State called Palestine living in harmony with its neighbours and that that end will be achieved without further bloodshed. So call me a romantic idealist.
But when a Condolences Thread in memory of a particular victim or group of victims of an atrocity is opened - our version of a Book of Remembrance - it is quite inappropriate to dilute the sentiments expressed by making political points about a different atrocity even if they can be related to each other. The innocent dead of any atrocity deserve that much respect.
Now let's loosen up! <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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